Don Cherry Fired by SN - Poll Added

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

They can’t put him on without an apology
And I don’t know that he’s willing to do that
The only quote from him today was telling s columnist “I’ve had my say”

There's a feller who lives a block or two away from me who is a Don Cherry impersonator. He's known locally and used to have a vehicle wrap advertising his act. Not sure what he's doing now.

[calumniate]

I rewatched it in full and it's a train wreck from the start. Ron was scrambling a bit

-Sabourin was not hurt he put a thumb up, who cares if his lower body was paralyzed
-Ron says senators are smoking, cherry interrupts him 'what'd I say about JD smith boy!' spitting it in Ron's face. Ron 'dj..' Don 'alright'. Two seconds later Don goes with jd again
-Ron what about pageault guy is +16' Don 'yah i know but i wanna talk about connor brown'
-onto Max Domi and his diabetic dog 'his dog knows when he needs a shot of diabetic stuff, or whatever they call it'
-Onto goalie neck protectors.. 'Patrick Roy, best goalie of all time' (now muttering under his breath to ron, almost inaudible) 'but we won't say he has Tourette's something something.' Like W T F!

So controversy aside, the segment was a disaster.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ dreadful

[shogged]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Somebody needs to look up racism and please quit saying it until you know what it means.

Again, Don is from an immigrant family, that was engaged in the Canadian military and World Wars. Canada played an important role. Poppy sales demonstrate respect and give financial support to veterans.

He sounded to me like he was expressing disappointment in the subset of immigrants that can’t be bothered to buy a poppy and show respect for people who died for their country. He is directing his opinions toward a group of people for their behaviour when it seems to him like a low and meaningful bar to acknowledge and support people who fought with their lives for the country to which his grandparents immigrated, and of which he has been demonstrably proud

He did not say “my race is superior to other races”. So please stop.

There is some irony in people lightly throwing around that word when it is pretty awful and illustrates their failure to understand his words.

Outrage culture is unfortunate.

Racism is a lot more complex than just googling the word and posting the first definition that comes up, which this reply seems to suggest you did. In my opinion, you’ve come across as an apologist in the majority of your responses here today. Perhaps the one who needs to dive deeper into the issue is yourself.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Cherry was a career minor leaguer (albeit the majority spent during the six-team NHL era). Modest success as a coach in the AHL and NHL. Pretty good broadcasting run based on that resume. The outsized personality schtick played well. Coach's Corner, his own syndicated TV show, a daily syndicated radio commentary. Chain of Sports Bars at one point.

I don't feel sorry for him.

[Snuffleupagus]

I bought 10 poppy's today at $5 a piece at Sunridge mall and handed them out to what I think were most likely immigrants or at least their parents were(I didn't ask), I did asked them to wear it in memory of the fallen Canadian soldiers that gave this country freedom when it mattered most, one guy gave me a hug with a thank you and another lady blessed me....made my day.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by shogged

Racism is a lot more complex than just googling the word and posting the first definition that comes up, which this reply seems to suggest you did. In my opinion, you’ve come across as an apologist in the majority of your responses here today. Perhaps the one who needs to dive deeper into the issue is yourself.

Please, enlighten me. This should be interesting.

Don’t shy away from specifics

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Please, enlighten me. This should be interesting.

Don’t shy away from specifics

Well, for example, racism is often defined as involving generalized attributes to a race, including ones which might be seen as complimentary at first glance (eg: black men are natural athletes). This type of statement is insidiously actually denigrating black athletes by implying they don’t have to work as hard to get success.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by shogged

Racism is a lot more complex than just googling the word and posting the first definition that comes up, which this reply seems to suggest you did. In my opinion, you’ve come across as an apologist in the majority of your responses here today. Perhaps the one who needs to dive deeper into the issue is yourself.

What? Racism isn't complex at all, it's just ugly and very stupid

[GullFoss]

Does "you people" refer to immigrants? Or does "you people" refer to Canadians that don't wear poppies?

Because if it's the latter, it's really just a factual statement:

“[Canadians who don't wear poppies] … you love our way of life, you love our milk and honey, at least you can pay a couple bucks for a poppy or something like that,” Cherry said. “These guys paid for your way of life that you enjoy in Canada, these guys paid the biggest price.”

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Does "you people" refer to immigrants? Or does "you people" refer to Canadians that don't wear poppies?

Ask someone who has angrily been referred to as "You People." It's a loaded phrase.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Does "you people" refer to immigrants? Or does "you people" refer to Canadians that don't wear poppies?

Because if it's the latter, it's really just a factual statement:

“[Canadians who don't wear poppies] … you love our way of life, you love our milk and honey, at least you can pay a couple bucks for a poppy or something like that,” Cherry said. “These guys paid for your way of life that you enjoy in Canada, these guys paid the biggest price.”

What about the part, “they come here...”?

That’s not about Canadians not wearing poppies.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Does "you people" refer to immigrants? Or does "you people" refer to Canadians that don't wear poppies?

Because if it's the latter, it's really just a factual statement:

“[Canadians who don't wear poppies] … you love our way of life, you love our milk and honey, at least you can pay a couple bucks for a poppy or something like that,” Cherry said. “These guys paid for your way of life that you enjoy in Canada, these guys paid the biggest price.”

I would guess it was to "new" Canadians that don't wear poppies, Cherry has always been pro military, why bother changing it now.

[Corral]

Count me as someone who is far more concerned about what Jason Kenny doesn’t say publicly than anything don cherry says on coach’s corner that relates to inclusion or racism.

For those who are quick to have him tossed- many of whom for their own judgemental reasons... ageism or whatever- how exactly should don have expressed his point? I mean I don’t think anyone has questioned his actual observation which led to the rant

[shogged]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Please, enlighten me. This should be interesting.

Don’t shy away from specifics

You’ve already demonstrated a proficiency for google, so why not start there? I simply suggest spending more than 30 seconds this time and see what else you can find beyond a dictionary definition.

If you’re actually serious and not just trying to bait me into a fools argument, then I suggest a book called So You Want to Talk About Race. I would be shocked if you finished this book and still felt that racism comes exclusively from a belief that one race is superior over another. Let the experiences shared in this book be the enlightenment you seek. Happy reading.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Does "you people" refer to immigrants? Or does "you people" refer to Canadians that don't wear poppies?

Because if it's the latter, it's really just a factual statement:

“[Canadians who don't wear poppies] … you love our way of life, you love our milk and honey, at least you can pay a couple bucks for a poppy or something like that,” Cherry said. “These guys paid for your way of life that you enjoy in Canada, these guys paid the biggest price.”

It was “you people come here”, which sounds a lot like referring to people that come here, aka immigrants. Why conveniently leave out that part?

[curves2000]

So here is a nice little wrinkle that a customer observed today at work. We are a big hockey family so we always have the TV on and the games playing etc. We aren't a bar or anything but a lot of regulars are always chirping about their teams and everybody is chirping each other.

The Sportsnet apology comes up and everybody is discussing it in details etc and than the CTV National news comes on and its the first story. Big headlines!

Anyhow everybody is putting their two cents in and it's amazing how the interactions all were. Immigrants and new Canadains agreeing with Cherry, generational Canadians thinking he's a loose cannon and needs to be fired, replaced and sent to the moon for the rest of his days. All the opinions flowing loud just like on this form.

One guy's reading the headlines on the Calgary Herald's app about poppy box thefts and he chimes in with the

" Immigrants may or may not be buying sufficient poppies to suit Don Cherry or others but I will tell ya, 9 out of 10 times the poppy boxes are being jacked by all the white trash losers in this city' We all had a good laugh and a discussion.

I may agree in theory on most aspects of Cherry's comments, I don't he articulated them very well at all (for 2019) and now he is getting hammered for it.

I know how badly everyone want's to see this guy's head on a platter for what he said but he has been SUCH a strong advocate for the military, police, firefighters, EMS, young children who are sick, kidney disease and organ donations and much more. He really really has done a lot of really great things with the platform he has been given as a Canadian, one of the very reasons why he is so highly rated and loved by a LOT of Canadians of all backgrounds.

I have read and heard from enough sources and even popular athletes like Bobby Orr who have the most loving things to say about him and his charitable causes. I think it was in Orr's book where he talked about how Cherry donates almost all of his salary and always hit's up Orr and other famous players for merchandise to auction off for specific causes. He also does a TON of charity work quietly from what I have heard.

Bobby Orr, someone who is as well respected in the game as anybody called it a travesty that Grapes isn't in the Hall of Fame as a builder. He has talked about how much he has done for the game and for the sport and youth organizations that it should have been done.

I really hope that this firestorm doesn't prevent that from happening while he is still alive. Like a lot of emotional people, his heart was in the right place for the right cause but Cherry being Cherry and 2019 outrage culture being what it is today, everything get's worked up and people are talking about EVERYTHING except supporting veterans or the poppy fund.

[csnarpy]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

There's a feller who lives a block or two away from me who is a Don Cherry impersonator. He's known locally and used to have a vehicle wrap advertising his act. Not sure what he's doing now.

He still has the vehicle and still does impersonations.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Bobby Orr, someone who is as well respected in the game as anybody called it a travesty that Grapes isn't in the Hall of Fame as a builder.

Umm...no. Builder? No.

Foster Hewitt Memorial Award as a broadcaster? Perhaps. HNIC alumni like Howie Meeker and Brian McFarlane are in the Hall. Many inductees were still actively broadcasting at the time they entered. Grapes has a long body of work that may have come to an end.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Umm...no. Builder? No.

Foster Hewitt Memorial Award as a broadcaster? Perhaps. HNIC alumni like Howie Meeker and Brian McFarlane are in the Hall. Many inductees were still actively broadcasting at the time they entered. Grapes has a long body of work that may have come to an end.

I don't know exactly which category he should be inducted as, Bobby Orr suggested builder. Here is a quote from an article I found a while back.

Orr wants Cherry to be inducted as a builder, a category that includes "coaching, managerial or executive ability, where applicable, or any other significant off-ice skill or role, sportsmanship, character and their contribution to their organizations and to the game of hockey in general."

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl...fame-1.5005533

I still think he deserves to be in the Hall and so do a bunch of other popular names. Bobby Orr is as respected as they come, an influential player, agent a pure gentleman. If he says he should be in the HOF, I do think the committee should get on it.