[PGT] Blues 3 Flames 2 I'm sad edition

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Do you think the roster is being optimized at forward as well (based on last games lines)?

Personally, I don't know what to make of the forward lines right now.

I think Gaudreau and Monahan are great together, despite them not being off to a great start this year.

Tkachuk deserves better line-mates, whatever shape that should take.

Backlund and Frolik were good together, which simplified things. But Frolik has been no good this year, so that's out the window and something needs to change there.

We need someone else to take a step forward, whether it's Bennett, Mangiapane, Dube, or whoever. We need another guy to become a legit top 6 guy.

For me, a guy like Toffoli would be a great addition at a reasonable price:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Toffoli
Tkachuk - Backlund - Lindholm
Mangiapane - Ryan - Bennett

[Heavy Jack]

Toffoli also had time with Monahan in juniors so there could be some former chemistry there and it would give us two RH shots in the top 6 which would be pretty awesome.

Brodie + Jankowski for Toffoli?? Do we need to add a pick or prospect?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Toffoli also had time with Monahan in juniors so there could be some former chemistry there and it would give us two RH shots in the top 6 which would be pretty awesome.

Brodie + Jankowski for Toffoli?? Do we need to add a pick or prospect?

Why would the Kings want a rental player like Brodie? They will want draft picks and prospects and there is neither of those in your proposal.

[Heavy Jack]

Which is why I asked what would need to be added... what would you add that would make it fair? How about if we switched Janks to Dube? Also LA is extremely weak on D so adding a guy like Brodie to the mix might actually lead to an extension and if not they could always flip him at the deadline for more futures.

Brodie + Dube + 2nd for Toffoli ?? Is that better?

[Enoch Root]

Toffoli is a pending UFA as well. And salar has to go back to make the deal work.

Toffoli for Frolik + 2nd + 4th

Or does it require a 1st? (I don't think so, considering how much Toffoli's production has slipped)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Which is why I asked what would need to be added... what would you add that would make it fair? How about if we switched Janks to Dube? Also LA is extremely weak on D so adding a guy like Brodie to the mix might actually lead to an extension and if not they could always flip him at the deadline for more futures.

Brodie + Dube + 2nd for Toffoli ?? Is that better?

IMO, Brodie and Toffoli have very similar value

Dube + 2nd is more than I would want to pay, never mind giving up Brodie as well.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

IMO, Brodie and Toffoli have very similar value

Dube + 2nd is more than I would want to pay, never mind giving up Brodie as well.

Was responding to EE who clearly feels opposite of how you feel about value. Personally I think Brodie + Jankowski + 2nd could get it done and would be fair value and I’d be happy to pay that price. I’d try and turn a retained Frolik into some more defensive depth and still be open to trading for a big name to go all in at the deadline if they were in a good position to do so.

I just feel like if we could bolster the team’s top 6 this year we could really go for a run and if it didn’t work out we would have tradeable assets to deal in another season from now that could recoup what we would spend this year.

Brodie + Janks + 2nd for Toffoli
Frolik 1/4 retained for TVR
Valimaki + 1st + Czarnik for T. Hall (very comparable offer to what landed Stone arguably better IMO)

Gaudreau - Monahan - Toffoli
Hall - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund - Bennett
Lucic - Ryan - Reider
Quine

Giordano - Hamonic
Hanifin - Andersson
Kylington - TVR
Stone

Rittich
Talbot

[Flash Walken]

It's a centre problem imo.

There is no other legitimate option for ANY coach other than to keep gaudreau and Monahan together.

Tkachuk works on line 2 with Backlund because he doesn't leave him high and dry. Tkachuk wants to make the same defensive reads and plays on the defensive zone as backline and frolik do. That's the essence of their chemistry together and why they are so good at outchancing their opponents even though they are relatively under skilled.

You HAVE to play gaudreau and moanahan together because splitting them up means having to elevate a player like Bennett or mangiapane to 17-19 minutes a night and those guys can't handle those kinds of minutes without burning you.

Playing gaudreau with backlund just isn't an option in my mind, neither player is going to play to their potential and you're going to really neuter their individual strengths to the team makeup.

It's why I brought up the centre comparison, having good centres helps you build your roster easier than having good wingers.

Their top winger was point per game this year before going out of the lineup, but the team can keep going because their centres can drive the bus. What do the flames look like with a tkachuk or gaudreau injury?

Since tarasenko went down O'Reilly has 11 points in 8 games and Schenn has 5 in his last 8.

Monahan is already getting filled in terms of fancy stats, imagine life without gaudreau.

Having good centres just gives you so much more flexibility than having to work around 2 guys with big, opposite, holes in their games.

Imo, that's what has to give.

[Enoch Root]

Another C would be ideal for sure. But Cs are very hard to come by, and we don't have a lot of assets to spare.

[CalgaryFan1988]

If you're going to dump Frolik on them, which you pretty much have to do for salary purposes, I think it would take more than a 2nd and a 4th.

Sad that Frolik dropped off so far the last couple seasons.

[MisterJoji]

I can’t believe the amount of negativity after last night. Rallied from down by two to get a point from an extremely tough opponent. Could’ve easily gotten 2 points with a little more execution and puck luck in OT but it just wasn’t in the cards. Sucks to lose but even if we replicate last years great regular season, we’re going to lose at least 22 more games. If CP is going to be this miserable after every loss this place will be unbearable.

[FireGilbert]

That was a fun game. Probably the most entertaining of the HNIC games I have managed to watch this year. The Blues are an excellent team and the Flames played them close. The difference was the bad start leading to the first goal, the lack of discipline leading to the 2nd and 3rd goals, and the lack of execution to finish one more chance. If the Flames can figure that out and add some goal scoring at the deadline they are just as legitimate a cup contender as the Blues are.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Toffoli also had time with Monahan in juniors so there could be some former chemistry there and it would give us two RH shots in the top 6 which would be pretty awesome.

Brodie + Jankowski for Toffoli?? Do we need to add a pick or prospect?

More ridiculous undervaluing of Brodie.

Brodie had 34 points last year, guess how many Toffoli had? Yup 34 points.

Who plays the more prominent position?

The Kings don’t need Brodie cause he is a UFA but if they did, THEY are the ones who have to add.

[Dragomir]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

I can’t believe the amount of negativity after last night. Rallied from down by two to get a point from an extremely tough opponent. Could’ve easily gotten 2 points with a little more execution and puck luck in OT but it just wasn’t in the cards. Sucks to lose but even if we replicate last years great regular season, we’re going to lose at least 22 more games. If CP is going to be this miserable after every loss this place will be unbearable.

It’s the fact that 20 games in we are a 0.500 team(a loss is a loss) and played like trash for most of those games. If we want to make the playoffs we need to be way better.


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[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Dragomir

It’s the fact that 20 games in we are a 0.500 team(a loss is a loss) and played like trash for most of those games. If we want to make the playoffs we need to be way better.


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Can you please add more hyperbole to the nonsense you are spouting...Flames are on track for 94 points. Not a great start...but surely you don't believe that making up 2 points to reach the proverbial 96 points is needing to be "way better".

[Psytic]

Kings would laugh to the bank if we traded Brodie for Toffoli. He hasnt been good in awhile and is still living off his 2016 season glory.

[Enoch Root]

Toffoli is fast, pretty big, a right-shot RW, can play along the boards, and can score. He is potentially exactly what the top line needs (if you want to put Lindholm with Tkachuk so that Chucky has some talent to play with, and to create a legit 2nd scoring line.

And he wouldn't cost a fortune (though I wouldn't want to trade Brodie either)

[Dragomir]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Can you please add more hyperbole to the nonsense you are spouting...Flames are on track for 94 points. Not a great start...but surely you don't believe that making up 2 points to reach the proverbial 96 points is needing to be "way better".

Lol you fail to see my point, this record flatters us, the way the Flames have played they deserve 5-6 wins at most. If we don’t start playing better our luck will soon run out.


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[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Dragomir

Lol you fail to see my point, this record flatters us, the way the Flames have played they deserve 5-6 wins at most. If we don’t start playing better our luck will soon run out.


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You failed to make your point. And followed up with more hyperbole.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Toffoli is fast, pretty big, a right-shot RW, can play along the boards, and can score. He is potentially exactly what the top line needs (if you want to put Lindholm with Tkachuk so that Chucky has some talent to play with, and to create a legit 2nd scoring line.

And he wouldn't cost a fortune (though I wouldn't want to trade Brodie either)

They can have Frolik and a pick. Brodies worth a lot more than Toffoli.