Don Cherry Fired by SN - Poll Added

[Bunk]

Solid thread from Senator Paula Simons:

https://twitter.com/Paulatics/status...065029633?s=20

This is just Don Cherry xenophobic confirmation bias - there’s absolutely no evidence New Canadians don’t value those sacrifices, nor choose not to wear poppies.

[81MC]

Don reminds me of people in my life. Maybe that’s why I don’t take anything he says as offensive, the guy is from a different time and place, and if for 2 minutes one a week the CBC isn’t it’s usually nauseating love fest, I don’t mind. Stop getting so upset about an old guys choice of words, most of it is ingrained personality traits at this point. The guys been around for a long time and has had quite the career, let’s try to keep some perspective before ousting him as a xenophobic racist blowhard, and recognize he is like most of our grandparents, but with a hockey background.

As for not wearing a poppy because it falls off...come on.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Did this get posted?

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctv...1_4678516.html

"Don's discriminatory comments are offensive and they do not represent our values and what we stand for as a network," Sportsnet President Bart Yabsley said in a statement Sunday.
"We have spoken with Don about the severity of this issue and we sincerely apologize for these divisive remarks."

[Jiri Hrdina]

And the nhl statement

https://mobile.twitter.com/PR_NHL/st...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by 81MC

Don reminds me of people in my life. Maybe that’s why I don’t take anything he says as offensive, the guy is from a different time and place, and if for 2 minutes one a week the CBC isn’t it’s usually nauseating love fest, I don’t mind. Stop getting so upset about an old guys choice of words, most of it is ingrained personality traits at this point. The guys been around for a long time and has had quite the career, let’s try to keep some perspective before ousting him as a xenophobic racist blowhard, and recognize he is like most of our grandparents, but with a hockey background.

As for not wearing a poppy because it falls off...come on.

I don’t think being old is a good excuse. That takes credit away from older people who have taken the time to learn a different perspective.

[nik-]

I hope this is the end of him. He's been an embarrassment for years. However, Sportsnet has no talent on their garbage product and seemingly caters to keeping the long expired personalities like McLean, so I doubt anything happens.

[Igottago]

I like how we can just throw out disgust at "outrage culture" to justify anything dumb anyone says or does now. That's almost as bad as outrage culture itself. No, the response to this isn't just "outrage culture".

Don's comments were stupid, and he deserves the criticism. I don't even disagree that people (all people) could do a much better job understand and paying respects to the sacrifices of military personnel. That would be solid point, if he made it. Instead he took the cheap, inaccurate and holier than thou strategy by wagging his finger at and generalizing about people that are new to the country. Dumb comment.

Don't even get me started about how thinking you are some supreme patriot by putting a plastic flower on your lapel, but someone who uprooted their entire family and way of life to be here yet somehow forgot to get (or lost) that same plastic flower somehow cares less about the country. Don has no idea how anyone walking the streets of the country feels about being here.

[Yoho]

Cherry still on HNIC is the same as Trump a president, a large percentage agree with what he’s saying.

[shogged]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Cherry still on HNIC is the same as Trump a president, a large percentage agree with what he’s saying.

a good point, further evidenced by some of the responses in this very thread

[N-E-B]

Nm

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Urbanites in canada: don cherry is a racist because he insinuated we don’t respect the troops if we can’t even give them a couple dollars a year and wear a pin to show respect to the troops.

Also urbanites in canada: no issues voting for a guy who wears black face and sticks socks down his pants to pay homage to white trust fund baby who blamed his error on privilege

A. You don’t even know if Cherry is accurate in what he says he sees or the reasons behind it. He sees someone not wearing a poppy (and who is even checking this?) and assumes they don’t support the troops. I buy a bunch of poppies every year, contribute to the vet food bank, attend Remembrance Day services. Yet you might see me without a poppy at some point. I might have waited longer than normal, it might have fallen off, maybe its on my other jacket or covered up - point is, a false assumption has been made.

B. I see as many people in rural areas without a poopy, likely for the same reason.

C. There’s no one I meet who are more patriotic than those who choose to come here, and they know more, too. They take a test.

D. Cherry also assume people he sees are immigrants. I can only think of one feature that would cause that assumption, unless he actually stopped and asked (which I’m sure he didn’t). So that’s where the notion that it’s race based comes from.

E. Trudeau’s blackface way off base, and admitted it and apologized. You can take his apology however you want but he did it. I’ve never heard Cherry apologize for anything. Trudeau also instituted a number of immigrant/refugee policies that suggest he has beliefs that aren’t racist. So there’s that. Cherry’s statements are in line with other things in his history - generalizations about European hockey players, etc.

Those who are defending him are rolling themselves or have the same beliefs.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by 81MC

Don reminds me of people in my life. Maybe that’s why I don’t take anything he says as offensive, the guy is from a different time and place, and if for 2 minutes one a week the CBC isn’t it’s usually nauseating love fest, I don’t mind. Stop getting so upset about an old guys choice of words, most of it is ingrained personality traits at this point. The guys been around for a long time and has had quite the career, let’s try to keep some perspective before ousting him as a xenophobic racist blowhard, and recognize he is like most of our grandparents, but with a hockey background.

As for not wearing a poppy because it falls off...come on.

It’s not about being offended.

It’s dumb, useless, pointless emotionally potent oversimplification that draws people into its irrelevancy like watching two old men yell at each other. It’s nothing more than click bait.

It would be one thing to say on a talk show but it’s completely disconnected from hockey, has been for some time, & the time slot could be filled with something more useful to the sport.

It needs to end & if this does it... good riddance.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 81MC

Don reminds me of people in my life. Maybe that’s why I don’t take anything he says as offensive, the guy is from a different time and place, and if for 2 minutes one a week the CBC isn’t it’s usually nauseating love fest, I don’t mind. Stop getting so upset about an old guys choice of words, most of it is ingrained personality traits at this point. The guys been around for a long time and has had quite the career, let’s try to keep some perspective before ousting him as a xenophobic racist blowhard, and recognize he is like most of our grandparents, but with a hockey background.

As for not wearing a poppy because it falls off...come on.

My grandfather, who served in WWII and was a die hard conservative, would have told Cherry he was a bigot. This old guy can use whatever words he wants, but he can also love with the consequences of spouting them on a national broadcast.

As for poppies falling off, every day I get one and every day it’s gone. I swear they do that on purpose.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I like how we can just throw out disgust at "outrage culture" to justify anything dumb anyone says or does now. That's almost as bad as outrage culture itself. No, the response to this isn't just "outrage culture".

Don's comments were stupid, and he deserves the criticism. I don't even disagree that people (all people) could do a much better job understand and paying respects to the sacrifices of military personnel. That would be solid point, if he made it. Instead he took the cheap, inaccurate and holier than thou strategy by wagging his finger at and generalizing about people that are new to the country. Dumb comment.

Don't even get me started about how thinking you are some supreme patriot by putting a plastic flower on your lapel, but someone who uprooted their entire family and way of life to be here yet somehow forgot to get (or lost) that same plastic flower somehow cares less about the country. Don has no idea how anyone walking the streets of the country feels about being here.

Inaccurate? “... people who are new to the country..” I did not hear him address duration of presence in Canada. That seems inaccurate.

Outrage culture? Sure, I mentioned it. People threw out the word racism. The most specific thing he did was group together people who don’t wear poppies, no? You may have a case starting with the word xenophobia, based on him saying people come here. I don’t know if he said where here was.

It’s not the whole answer. But a lot of comments in here do seem to be more based on inference than information. And there is also lots of ‘holier than thou’ too.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

As for poppies falling off, every day I get one and every day it’s gone. I swear they do that on purpose.

I was taught since childhood to take the stabby pin out and replace with a safety pin instead, works like a charm

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Cherry still on HNIC is the same as Trump a president, a large percentage agree with what he’s saying.

Yeah.... because he mostly discusses hockey.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And you just lowered yourself to the basest of levels. Maybe you should take the advice you just gave in the PGT.

No, you just missed the point because you were... offended? Distracted by my charm? No idea. This whole “well this side cares about this and not this so they’re hypocrites” is such silliness, considering the exact same nonsense occurs on both sides of this imaginary line people have made up.

Don Cherry losing his ability to make a point while having consistently poor takes on things is not a left/right issue. This is not political. And if people want to play that dumb game then it’s pretty easy to say the same thing back and end up with nobody ahead.

“Lowered yourself...” lol. Because I pointed out that “ur probably hypocrites because you voted for Trudeau” is a fruitless take for this thread. I can’t imagine what goes on inside that head of yours.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Yrebmi

This is the move right here, except tidy it up a bit and have the pin back between the two layers of your coat. No stab, can’t lose.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

No, you just missed the point because you were... offended? Distracted by my charm? No idea. This whole “well this side cares about this and not this so they’re hypocrites” is such silliness, considering the exact same nonsense occurs on both sides of this imaginary line people have made up.

Don Cherry losing his ability to make a point while having consistently poor takes on things is not a left/right issue. This is not political. And if people want to play that dumb game then it’s pretty easy to say the same thing back and end up with nobody ahead.

“Lowered yourself...” lol. Because I pointed out that “ur probably hypocrites because you voted for Trudeau” is a fruitless take for this thread. I can’t imagine what goes on inside that head of yours.

Offended? Not even close. In fact, quite the opposite.

The Trudeau comparisons were ridiculous. I simply pointed out that you then lowered yourself to the same level. You didn't need to.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Inaccurate? “... people who are new to the country..” I did not hear him address duration of presence in Canada. That seems inaccurate.

Outrage culture? Sure, I mentioned it. People threw out the word racism. The most specific thing he did was group together people who don’t wear poppies, no? You may have a case starting with the word xenophobia, based on him saying people come here. I don’t know if he said where here was.

It’s not the whole answer. But a lot of comments in here do seem to be more based on inference than information. And there is also lots of ‘holier than thou’ too.

"You people come here". I can infer he's talking about immigrants vs 4th generation Canadians. If that's not what he meant its on him to clarify.

And yes, inaccurate...Don has absolutely no idea the numbers of immigrants who do or don't wear poppies, whether they wear them sometimes, lost them, accidentally put them in the laundry. He has no idea who is an immigrant or not just by looking at them either. His entire statement is a bunch of nonsense.

I'm actually with you in that I don't think he's racist -- but to assume you have the upper hand on Canadian patriotism while making assumptions about "you people" he's making generalizations in his head based on something.

If Don wants to clarify his statement I'm all about giving him that opportunity. But from what I saw, it was a boneheaded take.