Well, as just one example, he can save Hamonic from stepping in above his weight class and getting his cheek bone broken.
See for example, him stepping up to fight thr goon the kings called up, presumably to intimidate Tkachuk, earlier this season...
He got into that fight because he was hit, not for any other reason. That is Lucic's MO now, he gets hit, he gets angry, he skates over to who he thinks has wronged him and gets into a fight or suckerpunches the opposition. Time and time again he does the exact same thing. He just provides the opposition with free powerplay more than anything.
If this was a player on any other team people would be demanding a suspension. Dirtiest player in the league right now.
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^ are cap relief for buyout purposes and cap hit / relief for games missed accounted for in
the same manner?
I don’t think they are. I am sure someone knows.
There is no cap relief for suspensions. The player doesn't get paid, but the team still pays the money. It goes to the Players' Emergency Assistance Fund.
As for how much the player forfeits, it is based on the player's cap hit, not his actual salary in a season (signing bonuses are included in the calculation). If he's considered a repeat offender (previous suspension in the last 18 months), he forfeits 1/82nd of his salary for every game he's suspended. If he's not a repeat offender, he forfeits 1 day's salary for every game of his suspension. That is calculated by dividing his salary by the number of days in the season, which is 186 this year.
Lucic's last suspension was over 3 years ago, which should mean he's not considered a repeat offender.
His total cap hit for the season is $6 million. That means this suspension will cost him: ($6,000,000/186)x2 = $64,516.13
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18.15 Forfeiture of Compensation Upon Suspension. The amount of compensation that will be forfeited by the Player upon suspension shall be calculated on the following basis:
(a) for "first" offenders (first incident requiring Supplementary Discipline for On-Ice Conduct in the form of a game suspension determined pursuant to Section 18.15(d)), Player to forfeit one (1) day's Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and Bonuses, but not including Performance Bonuses, for each Regular Season Game lost (1/total number of days in the season measured from the date of the League's first Regular Season Game to the last, irrespective of the Player's team's schedule);
(b) for "repeat" offenders (second or more incidents requiring game suspension determined pursuant to Section 18.15(d)), Player to forfeit one (1) NHL Game's Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and Bonuses, but not including Performance Bonuses, for each Regular Season Game lost (1/number of Regular Season Games for each Regular Season Game suspended);
(c) Player Salary and Bonuses forfeited due to a suspension will be calculated based on a Player's Averaged Amount, as defined in Article 50 of this Agreement; and
(d) status as a "first" or "repeat" offender shall be re-determined every eighteen (18) months on a rolling basis. For example, where a Player is suspended for the first time, he becomes a repeat offender if he is suspended again within eighteen (18) months of the first incident. If he does not have another suspension within eighteen (18) months of the first incident, his next suspension will be treated as a "first" offense.
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He got into that fight because he was hit, not for any other reason. That is Lucic's MO now, he gets hit, he gets angry, he skates over to who he thinks has wronged him and gets into a fight or suckerpunches the opposition. Time and time again he does the exact same thing. He just provides the opposition with free powerplay more than anything.
If this was a player on any other team people would be demanding a suspension. Dirtiest player in the league right now.
I dunno about you, but I'd want to fight the guy 'hitting' like this too
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Not sure why anyone would be up in arms. He deserved the suspension and really this is why Treliving made the trade in the first place. The only the guy is noticeable on the isce is when he's doing something like this so he's been exactly as advertised as a replacement level player that will be physical, fight, and has an edge. That edge cost him a few games but it's the only reason he's still in the NHL at this point.
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Ken Campbell's article on the Lucic suspension. Campbell also went after Jermaine Franklin on twitter yesterday. He clearly feels Lucic was in the wrong.
By any measure, the sucker punch Lucic delivered to Sherwood was vicious, unnecessary, over the top and potentially dangerous. It was hockey’s equivalent of taking a bazooka to a hornet’s nest.
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punching Sherwood with so much force that his head snapped back and he fell to the ice. (At which time Lucic tried to continue to mete out his own form of discipline by trying to get a couple more punches in.)
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Lucic is a menace at the best of times, and these are most definitely not the best of times. Lucic might be the unhappiest person making $5.25 million a year in the world. Along with anyone who has two eyes, he has likely come to the realization that the game has passed him by at breakneck speed and his contributions beyond anything physical are minimal. He’s watching the career he worked so hard to earn slip away from him and he’s probably not happy about it. He’s with a new team after a disastrous stint with his former team and he probably feel he needs to prove his worth. (Not to mention the fact that just seconds prior to the punch, Sherwood stripped him of the puck like he was nothing more than a minor annoyance, then went in and had a scoring chance.)
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Ken Campbell's article on the Lucic suspension. Campbell also went after Jermaine Franklin on twitter yesterday. He clearly feels Lucic was in the wrong.
Ken Campbell literally doesn't know what he's talking about:
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So Milan Lucic sat out Calgary’s overtime loss in Washington Sunday night and will continue to cool his heels when the Flames host Arizona Tuesday night.
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He got into that fight because he was hit, not for any other reason. That is Lucic's MO now, he gets hit, he gets angry, he skates over to who he thinks has wronged him and gets into a fight or suckerpunches the opposition. Time and time again he does the exact same thing. He just provides the opposition with free powerplay more than anything.
If this was a player on any other team people would be demanding a suspension. Dirtiest player in the league right now.
His last suspension was three years ago... if he’s the dirtiest player, the NHL is the cleanest league around!
Not sure why anyone would be up in arms. He deserved the suspension and really this is why Treliving made the trade in the first place. The only the guy is noticeable on the isce is when he's doing something like this so he's been exactly as advertised as a replacement level player that will be physical, fight, and has an edge. That edge cost him a few games but it's the only reason he's still in the NHL at this point.
A lot of people can't take off their homer glasses and see this for what it is. A dirty play with a high risk of injury potential. It doesn't matter if it was retaliatory.
A lot of the comments on here are eerily similar to Canucks fans defending Bertuzzi when he hit Moore. Granted, the outcome was more drastic, but the logic was the same. Moore was running around being a punk, crashing the goalie and eventually was sucker punched for it.
The only thing separating this event from that one is that this one happened more in the spur of the moment and didn't have the lengthy premeditation and the end results were not as bad (thankfully). But those factors are also why it is only a 2 game suspension and not a 40 game.
And of course Treliving is going to support his player. The last thing he wants is Lucic to come back and play soft.
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It was over aggressive punch. I can’t argue the suspension. But god dam did I love it. Rittich has taken way to many whacks lately. I love the response.
I get that it was a bit more aggressive than what was maybe warranted, but I am a big believer in your actions will have consequences. Sometimes Lucic will be the consequence if opposing players step out of line, even a little bit.
I have no issue with what Lucic did and hopefully, other teams start to think twice before taking advantage of Flames players. It was not a sucker punch and the other player should have expected it especially after some of his own questionable hits/actions as they could have proved to be just as dangerous to Killington, etc.
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One thing I noticed is in the game when Lucic receive a puck in our blue line and try to clear it to the neutral zone, not many players from other team play hard to try hit or push him. They just try to play the puck or let Lucic shoot the puck.
A quote from Kerry Fraser, courtesy of The Athletic. It was asked around the playoffs, but I still feel the subject is relevant here:
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If I didn’t do my job, if I didn’t step up when I needed to, when the game needed me to, you’re gonna have a situation where players are gonna say ‘OK boys, he’s not doing it. I’m gonna take care of this.’
So if the players feel … the referees have put their whistles away, then it’s open season, because once that happens, where the feel from the players is the referee won’t call it, they’re gonna cheat as much as they can get away with.
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And at a stoppage I’ve gone to both benches and to both coaches and said ‘OK boys, I’m done with this. You’re taking advantage of my generosity. I’m going to stop this with a penalty. Next time a scrum happens that I feel is over the top, I’m gonna pick one player that starts it, so I need you, coach, to bring some discipline to your team. In a scrum situation, when that whistle blows, your guys better stop. If there’s another scrum, I’m going to pick a guy — might be your guy, may be the other guy, so do us a favor and control it before I have to.’
The stab at Rittich is not the root cause here, just the final straw. Sherwood already had a boarding call on Kylington that went missed, and would have continued to run around had Lucic not clocked him.
I think his approach is a very fair one to situations that have tempers boiling over. And I think that the officials handled it as well as they could have - they gave Sherwood a slashing minor. This says to me, "Ok, yeah, your guy was way outta line which is why you're getting the extra minor, but we recognize that Sherwood was definitely out of line too."
I feel like if A.) Lucic got a major and Sherwood went unpenalized, or if B.) Lucic and Sherwood got offsetting minors instead of Lucic getting the extra PIM, then the game would have spiralled out of control further due to the players on one bench wanting to take things into their own hands.
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I don't mind the suspension. I think Lucic can find ways to intimidate and inflict painful retribution without random punches to the face. If it had been a few hard crosschecks to the upper arm, probably would've hurt more and maybe walked away with no penalty.
Can't really be surprised with the suspension. Was fined twice (maybe 3 times?) in the last 1.5 years for similar plays. Eventually you will get suspended.
I don't mind the suspension. I think Lucic can find ways to intimidate and inflict painful retribution without random punches to the face. If it had been a few hard crosschecks to the upper arm, probably would've hurt more and maybe walked away with no penalty.
A lot of people can't take off their homer glasses and see this for what it is. A dirty play with a high risk of injury potential. It doesn't matter if it was retaliatory.
A lot of the comments on here are eerily similar to Canucks fans defending Bertuzzi when he hit Moore. Granted, the outcome was more drastic, but the logic was the same. Moore was running around being a punk, crashing the goalie and eventually was sucker punched for it.
The only thing separating this event from that one is that this one happened more in the spur of the moment and didn't have the lengthy premeditation and the end results were not as bad (thankfully). But those factors are also why it is only a 2 game suspension and not a 40 game.
And of course Treliving is going to support his player. The last thing he wants is Lucic to come back and play soft.
No, you're completely wrong. Moore had hit Naslund with a clean open ice hit the game before, and that's why the Canucks were riled up. Moore dropped the gloves on request twice in the next game vs. the Canucks. The Canucks were down 9-2 and it was late in the 3rd. Bertuzzi asked Moore to fight and he said no. He followed him all the way to centre from the goal line and drove his face into the ice from behind.
Not even apples and oranges, more like raisins and watermelons.
This was a slightly overzealous overreaction to a dirty play directly after it happened, and without the referees blowing their whistles. I'm okay with the suspension but the officiating is a disgrace, and is directly related to why this and other similar incidents take place. Also, I don't see how this merits a 2-game suspension when Getzlaf can skate into a scrum and drop Mangiapane with a punch after the period is over without it even getting a call. There's no consistency and therefore this suspension sets no precedent and no guidelines for anyone.
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