Star Wars : Episode IX (No Spoilers)

[CaptainCrunch]

How to fix it.


A long time ago in a Galaxy far far away


. . . .





We zoom in on the Falcon zooming through hyper space. We go inside and we zoom in on a bunk in the darkened hold. Suddenly Rey sits up with a start screaming. She jumps out of the bunk and runs to the sink and splashes water on her face. and then stumbles to the #### pit where Chewie is sitting


Chewie "Raargh"
Rey - "I'm ok I had a horrible nightmare"


Chewie pulls the throttle back and the Falcon lands on an Island. Rey exits the Falcon and we get 5 minutes of her walking up stares. We get to the top and we see a solitary figure in a robe. The figure turns around and its Luke, Rey reaches into her bag and holds out Luke's light sabre. She looks at Luke as he takes it.


Rey - "I'm here to get trained"


Luke - "Right on"


All problems with the last movie are now fixed.

[nik-]

take that fanfic to the seedy underbelly of Mos Eisley where it belongs!

[zamler]

I'd make one change -

Luke - "You're not ready"

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by nik-

take that fanfic to the seedy underbelly of Mos Eisley where it belongs!

Mos Eisley gets a bad rap. The outskirts are quite nice.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

God I love the original trilogy. The despecialized versions are pure ecstasy. I even love RotJ, ewoks and all. So, so perfect.

Skywalker will never match that. But if it’s better than TLJ I’ll be happy. And I thought TLJ wasn’t bad.

[GreenLantern]

I definitely don't have the deep seeded hate for TLJ that many do, but I would say I was just more disappointed than anything. I expected a ESB level type reveal, it didn't have to specifically be about Rey's heritage, as that was predictable, but at least some kind of WOW moment.

All we got was an explanation of why Kylo left. Nothing about Snoke. It just felt empty to me. A little more substance would have been nice. And I imagine they will tie it together in Skywalker and that is great, but your second movie shouldn't just be a set up movie, it should be the crux of the series. Have they not seen Two Towers!??!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I definitely don't have the deep seeded hate for TLJ that many do, but I would say I was just more disappointed than anything. I expected a ESB level type reveal, it didn't have to specifically be about Rey's heritage, as that was predictable, but at least some kind of WOW moment.

All we got was an explanation of why Kylo left. Nothing about Snoke. It just felt empty to me. A little more substance would have been nice. And I imagine they will tie it together in Skywalker and that is great, but your second movie shouldn't just be a set up movie, it should be the crux of the series. Have they not seen Two Towers!??!

I don't hate TLJ, I don't mean to convey my criticism about it as hate. But the bottom line is I have no desire to watch it again. That says a lot because Star Wars movies are the ultimate in the concept of re watchable movies, whether its to find interesting little details or making that trip to the GFFA, I remember people talking about watching the original trilogy movies dozens of times though their lives. Even with the PT, you get people saying I've watched it x amount of times. you hear that less with TFA and almost never with TLJ.


With Snoke, after the first movie, on Star Wars boards and Chats, it was who's Snoke, we need his back story, is he someone from the PT or OT? Is he Darth Plageius? Now nobody really gives a crap who he is?

[djsFlames]

It's funny. I know people that even claimed they liked TLJ.

And yet, I never hear them talk about rewatching it. Which was definitely the case with TFA.

Maybe they feel they're going against the grain or being true loyal fans, but at the end of the day they don't want to voluntarily spend their free time watching it and actions absolutely speak louder than words.

The production was outstanding, but the clear lack of thought put into it (a bunch of stuff happens but there's no depth to it) and the abandonment of character arcs and the overall arc kills its rewatch value and enjoyability when put up against the other films.

[GGG]

They nailed the Lore in the last Jedi

Rey being from no one is a fulfilling answer to the questions Abrams asked.
The concept of both the rebels and the first order being profit centres for arms dealers was cool
The two scenes of Luke trying to kill Kylo and the use of two unreliable narrators was fantastic. And Luke after the Jedi teachings failed his father and his nephew leading them to the dark side rejecting the world and becoming a hermit fits with who he always was and mirrors Obi Wan being a hermit and waiting until needed after failing to save an apprentice from the Dark side.The problem is the plot was bad. Space Chase, Casino Planet was awful.

The end of leaving everyone decimated was a good ending. I also like the concept of Broom boy and the force balancing itself with new people.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GGG

They nailed the Lore in the last Jedi

Rey being from no one is a fulfilling answer to the questions Abrams asked.
The concept of both the rebels and the first order being profit centres for arms dealers was cool
The two scenes of Luke trying to kill Kylo and the use of two unreliable narrators was fantastic. And Luke after the Jedi teachings failed his father and his nephew leading them to the dark side rejecting the world and becoming a hermit fits with who he always was and mirrors Obi Wan being a hermit and waiting until needed after failing to save an apprentice from the Dark side.The problem is the plot was bad. Space Chase, Casino Planet was awful.

The end of leaving everyone decimated was a good ending. I also like the concept of Broom boy and the force balancing itself with new people.

I'm ok with everything that you say. However I say that its become clear that the Force is primarily defined not to be in balance ever, or its a balance that nobody understands.

All the force does is cause misery for the entire galaxy all of the time, because the Dark Side and the Light side are constantly at war with each other.

There can be no balance because it will tip to one side or the other. The Force is conflict itself.

In fact if you look at Lore, for the most part the Force has always been tipped towards the dark side with the occasional break where the light ascends.

Since there can't be balance in the force then the best solution for the galaxy is no force users at all that will act as a proxy to tip the force.

I mean even at its purest analogy in The Clone Wars with the father, son and daughter, the Father represented the balance between two warring sides but the entry of Force users allowed the Son to tip the force to the darkness, the murder of the daughter ensured that the Force would stay in darkness, and the death of the father locked that in.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm ok with everything that you say. However I say that its become clear that the Force is primarily defined not to be in balance ever, or its a balance that nobody understands.

All the force does is cause misery for the entire galaxy all of the time, because the Dark Side and the Light side are constantly at war with each other.

There can be no balance because it will tip to one side or the other. The Force is conflict itself.

In fact if you look at Lore, for the most part the Force has always been tipped towards the dark side with the occasional break where the light ascends.

Since there can't be balance in the force then the best solution for the galaxy is no force users at all that will act as a proxy to tip the force.

I mean even at its purest analogy in The Clone Wars with the father, son and daughter, the Father represented the balance between two warring sides but the entry of Force users allowed the Son to tip the force to the darkness, the murder of the daughter ensured that the Force would stay in darkness, and the death of the father locked that in.

The force like any power is going to be corrupted. Evil sides of the force will always be trying to subjugate others. The good sides of the force aren't perfect, but you need then to try and stop the evil sides.

I don't think there's a way to ever have no force users, as it's a big universe and they pop up randomly. Even if you went around exterminating the force users as they were discovered, you'd essentially be creating the breeding grounds for a secret Sith type organization.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by blankall

The force like any power is going to be corrupted. Evil sides of the force will always be trying to subjugate others. The good sides of the force aren't perfect, but you need then to try and stop the evil sides.

I don't think there's a way to ever have no force users, as it's a big universe and they pop up randomly. Even if you went around exterminating the force users as they were discovered, you'd essentially be creating the breeding grounds for a secret Sith type organization.

Fair enough.



I really wonder if there's a dark and light side of the force, or just the force and how you use it.



All I know if you go through history in the gffa is that the force just freaking causes misery to everyone that lives in the mundane world.

[CroFlames]

I liked TFA and re-watched it multiple times before TLJ came out. After TLJ, I have a hard time watching TFA again because the story is ruined.

I love Rogue One, for two reasons.

1. The movie in and of itself is awesome.
2. It sets up the next movie (ANH) to knock it out of the park, and it does.

TFA set up TLJ to knock it out of the park then Rian Johnson comes along and isn't even playing the same sport.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Fair enough.



I really wonder if there's a dark and light side of the force, or just the force and how you use it.



All I know if you go through history in the gffa is that the force just freaking causes misery to everyone that lives in the mundane world.

Kreia was right all along, the Force is just a big old a-hole and its "desire" for balance has caused nothing but suffering for untold eons.

I don't want the Force to just become space magic for anyone to use without consequences though. then you just have Harry Potter with lasers. the struggle to keep your alignment when you decide to tap into it should continue to be a compelling storytelling device if done properly.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

Kreia was right all along, the Force is just a big old a-hole and its "desire" for balance has caused nothing but suffering for untold eons.

I don't want the Force to just become space magic for anyone to use without consequences though. then you just have Harry Potter with lasers. the struggle to keep your alignment when you decide to tap into it should continue to be a compelling storytelling device if done properly.

I still swear that Kreia made a brief comback in SWTOR in the Sith Warrior story as the entity.


There are always consequences. Its funny thought because even if you go back to The old republic stories. The Jedi weren't exactly bastians of good and niceness, they pretty well gloried in war and were at their heights when they were fighting Dark Side users. At one point after one of the first wars against the Sith they chased them back to Korriban and then initiated a genocide not only against Force users, but an entire species.


Even with the fall of the republic, the Jedi were seen as corrupt and living above everyone else so it was easy for Palpatine to become popular when he wiped them out.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Fair enough.



I really wonder if there's a dark and light side of the force, or just the force and how you use it.



All I know if you go through history in the gffa is that the force just freaking causes misery to everyone that lives in the mundane world.

The good and evil sides of the force definitely seem to manifest different power types. The dark side, for example, is more focused around manipulation, lightning bolts, life/death, etc..Their eyes also turn red.

This could, however, just be an expression of will/emotion. Negative emotions and selfish will could result in a feedback system where the dark side of the force feeds those emotions and vice versa.

There definitely is a difference between the dark and good sides of the force. Whether those are two totally distinct factions (or perhaps forces pulling people in opposite directions) or it's more of a spectrum is really left to be seen. My understanding was that was supposed to be Rey's journey, but who knows where things are going now.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by blankall

The good and evil sides of the force definitely seem to manifest different power types. The dark side, for example, is more focused around manipulation, lightning bolts, life/death, etc..Their eyes also turn red.

This could, however, just be an expression of will/emotion. Negative emotions and selfish will could result in a feedback system where the dark side of the force feeds those emotions and vice versa.

There definitely is a difference between the dark and good sides of the force. Whether those are two totally distinct factions (or perhaps forces pulling people in opposite directions) or it's more of a spectrum is really left to be seen. My understanding was that was supposed to be Rey's journey, but who knows where things are going now.

Maybe, in the really awesome Darth Plageius book and the Rise of Darth Vader books it kind of put the force into perspective.


with the Sith, they see themselves as commanding the Force, using it to reach a higher purpose and power.



With the Jedi, they are carried by the will of the Force, the use of the forbidden powers of the Force, like Lightning and crushing some ones throat in, is a sign of a person that is on the path to the dark side.


Palpatine even said it to Anakin, a true and wise leader will look at all sides of the greater puzzle.


Even according to the Sith Yoda had it completely wrong in his speech to Anakin, Fear leads to Anger, Anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. The Sith originally used those emotions to gain power over the force, but the truly great Sith learned to work past those emotions and work past their own morality in pursuit of a greater goal.


The Jedi hoped that the will of the Force would allow them to achieve peace and justice in the Galaxy for all. The Sith believed that they needed to use the force to its full extent and command the force and subvert it to their will no matter the cost to bring Peace and Order to the Galaxy.


The Jedi philsophy was based on hope, The Sith was based on control.


Plagueis quotes that I love

“To say that the Force works in mysterious ways is to admit one’s ignorance, for any mystery can be solved through the application of knowledge and unrelenting effort.”

“The Force tries to resist the callings of ravenous spirits; therefore it must be broken and made a beast of burden. It must be made to answer to one’s will.”

“We stalk the Force like hunters, rather than surrender like prey to its enigmatic whims.”

"TELL ME WHAT YOU REGARD AS YOUR GREATEST STRENGTH,
SO I WILL KNOW HOW BEST TO UNDERMINE YOU;
TELL ME OF YOUR GREATEST FEAR,
SO I WILL KNOW WHICH I MUST FORCE YOU TO FACE;
TELL ME WHAT YOU CHERISH MOST,
SO I WILL KNOW WHAT TO TAKE FROM YOU;
AND TELL ME WHAT YOU CRAVE,
SO THAT I MIGHT DENY YOU..."

the reason why the Jedi see the dark side powers as negative is because its their belief that those powers require the manipulation of the force to one's will instead of the manipulation of the person by the Force.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Maybe, in the really awesome Darth Plageius book and the Rise of Darth Vader books it kind of put the force into perspective.


with the Sith, they see themselves as commanding the Force, using it to reach a higher purpose and power.



With the Jedi, they are carried by the will of the Force, the use of the forbidden powers of the Force, like Lightning and crushing some ones throat in, is a sign of a person that is on the path to the dark side.


Palpatine even said it to Anakin, a true and wise leader will look at all sides of the greater puzzle.


Even according to the Sith Yoda had it completely wrong in his speech to Anakin, Fear leads to Anger, Anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. The Sith originally used those emotions to gain power over the force, but the truly great Sith learned to work past those emotions and work past their own morality in pursuit of a greater goal.


The Jedi hoped that the will of the Force would allow them to achieve peace and justice in the Galaxy for all. The Sith believed that they needed to use the force to its full extent and command the force and subvert it to their will no matter the cost to bring Peace and Order to the Galaxy.


The Jedi philsophy was based on hope, The Sith was based on control.


Plagueis quotes that I love














the reason why the Jedi see the dark side powers as negative is because its their belief that those powers require the manipulation of the force to one's will instead of the manipulation of the person by the Force.

The interesting part of that is that people who join the Sith hoping for control always end up slaves to the Dark Side and typically horribly disfigured.

It's a pretty common trope that occurs in most literature and religion.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by blankall

The interesting part of that is that people who join the Sith hoping for control always end up slaves to the Dark Side and typically horribly disfigured.

It's a pretty common trope that occurs in most literature and religion.

For the most part sure.

“The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of.”

Sure but even the Sith understood that.


When Vader first complained to their disfigurement Sidious used Yoda's quote that they were not this crude stuff. That the disfigurement was a price that any Sith was willing to pay in the pursuit of power and control over himself..



And Vader allowed himself to become a slave to the Dark Side because he'd been a slave all of his life. I don't believe that Bane, or Sidious or Plageius, or even Revan would have considered themselves Slaves.



When Vader said that he must obey his master and that Luke didn't know the power of the darkside, that was coming from a Vader that was in effect broken and enslaved by his decisions and by a supremely powerful master.



Even the main philosophy of the Sith


Two there are no more and no less, one to embody the Power and one to crave it, basically says that you have to serve your master until you gain enough power, knowledge and ability to kill your master and take his place.


And the Sith Code is all about breaking away from slavery


Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

[CaptainCrunch]

Star Wars movies to go on a indefinate hiatus after IX.


https://globalnews.ca/news/6145117/s...medium=Twitter


Wonder if they're not feeling too confident about the Rise of the Skywalkers.