Unpopular Opinions about Flames

[dissentowner]

This thread shows how many fans on here love to focus on the negatives. I don't get it.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by TheRealPepman

No disrespect to CSEC, but they shouldn't own the Flames. Let someone other group with more money and stronger devotion toward winning buy this team. CSEC is the main culprit as to why the Flames have sucked for the last 30 years. Too cheap to hire expensive coaches, too cheap to improve in-game experience, too cheap to build a high-end team, and most of all, TOO CHEAP TO FULLY PRIVATELY FINANCE AN ARENA.

This post is ridiculous. First of all, we’re very lucky we have ownership that will allow this team to spend to the cap and will approve buyouts. Secondly, everyone wants a flashy new arena but nobody wants to pay for it. Give me a break. I don’t blame ownership for wanting some help. I have no issues with helping fund that arena. Anyone who thinks this is just a building for millionaires to play hockey in has a very short sighted and narrow minded view of it. Third, from what I understand the owners do not meddle much. Sure they have a say in things but compared to the loon up north or that clown in Carolina we could be worse off.

The Flames have a lot of problems. Ownership is not one of them.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

This post is ridiculous. First of all, we’re very lucky we have ownership that will allow this team to spend to the cap and will approve buyouts. Secondly, everyone wants a flashy new arena but nobody wants to pay for it. Give me a break. I don’t blame ownership for wanting some help. I have no issues with helping fund that arena. Anyone who thinks this is just a building for millionaires to play hockey in has a very short sighted and narrow minded view of it. Third, from what I understand the owners do not meddle much. Sure they have a say in things but compared to the loon up north or that clown in Carolina we could be worse off.

The Flames have a lot of problems. Ownership is not one of them.

In my opinion, ownership is the only problem.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This thread shows how many fans on here love to focus on the negatives. I don't get it.

Feel free to point out some positives then from this season?


I’ll wait.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Again, the Flames are the only team in the entire NHL to not have a 92% season since 2011-2012.

There are 30 other teams that have done this. The only other team that technically didn't was Atlanta, who only existed until 2011. There's no way the Flames have had the worst save percentage situation, one that could can blame on defense quality or activation, that entire time.

You're wrong. It's extremely difficult to blame bad save percentage entirely on the defense/coaching when its over 5 coaches, 4 GMs, 9 years, about about 50 different defensemen.

Look at Robin Lehner. He has put up 92% during 6 seasons already (albeit some of those seasons have small amounts of games). Most of those seasons were behind terrible defense in Ottawa, Buffalo, and not Chicago.

Guys like him have been available too, so that's the frustrating part.

Sorry, man, I don’t know what your argument even is, so don’t know why you say I am wrong

The “worst” in your arbitrary metric of “number of seasons without a goaltender having a .920 sv% since 2012-13”? Um, ok.

Absolutely team play impacts save percentage. Many analyses have been done. Articles written.

Even look at Kipper’s numbers over his career. Above .920 with Darryl. Below .910 with Keenan. Same goalie, very different save percentages. Corresponds strongly with how one would anecdotally describe observation of the play

As the other poster mentioned, one statistically bad game in a small sample skews that sample.

Here are two things that torpedo save percentages
- 1. too many shots that are unlikely or impossible to be stopped
- 2. failing to stop shots he should stop

These things are very different, but count the exact same.

I don’t even know why you are talking about goalies now after Rittich took two consecutive games to the third period with a 1-0 lead. The tying goal yesterday was a stupid lacrosse goal that shouldn’t have been

And since 2011-12? Ok. So Hiller, Elliott and Smith were bad goalies? No argument here. All were plagued by number 2. That has nothing to do with now though.

So yeah. Sorry, I’m not sure what your point is

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

Feel free to point out some positives then from this season?


I’ll wait.

Rittich

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Rittich

Goes to show how low the expectations have been set when fans start seeing Rittich’s play as a silver lining.

Rittich has been average, for a starter. Nothing more, nothing less. He gives you what any NHL team should expect as a bare minimum: he hasn’t cost the team entire games, but he also hasn’t won any by himself either.

But I guess with all the doozies we’ve been treated to over the years, I can understand why some might think this is what great goaltending looks like.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I don’t think some people here are fans of the team

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Goes to show how low the expectations have been set when fans start seeing Rittich’s play as a silver lining.

Rittich has been average, for a starter. Nothing more, nothing less. He gives you what any NHL team should expect as a bare minimum: he hasn’t cost the team entire games, but he also hasn’t won any by himself either.

But I guess with all the doozies we’ve been treated to over the years, I can understand why some might think this is what great goaltending looks like.

I don’t think that’s a low expectation when that was the most common request from fans last season. The biggest weakness from last season has been improved.

[sfpipes]

Being optimistic or at least not calling quits on the season seams to be heading towards unpopular opinion, so I'll throw in my two cents.

I have not given up on this team, at least not yet. I may be clinging to hope that is unwarranted, but I have it. Here is my simple minded rationale.

18/19 Flames after 14 games:
8-5-1 for 17 points
Goals For - 44
Goals Against - 47
Differential - (-3)

19/20 Flames after 14 games:
6-6-2 for 14 points
Goals For - 37
Goals Against - 41
Differential - (-4)

That's it. I'm not a guy who digs for a bunch of advanced stats or anything, my hope comes from the simple stuff. Obviously what's killing us so far this year is scoring, give us those 7 more goals for and we win some of these games. I believe the scoring will come. I have no basis for that other than good old blind hope and optimism. But it's gotten me thru a lot of October's as a Flames fan and it's getting me thru this one. Let's see how November goes.

[Barca]

Loumbardias (sp?) on the fan960 speaks like he's talking to kids when he does his game reviews.

He's like the team/management cheerleader.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I don’t think some people here are fans of the team

Look way way way down from your high horse and listen up, if you're not a fan and don't care about the team you are not here expressing concern. Got it?

[AC]

Originally Posted by zamler

Look way way way down from your high horse and listen up, if you're not a fan and don't care about the team you are not here expressing concern. Got it?

Definitely fair, but there's been a contingent of posters that seem to enjoy when the team fails just for the chance to say "I told you so".

We've seen a few specifically that disappear when the team is winning, but swoop back in after a frustrating loss to shove it in everyone's faces.

I just don't get that type of fandom personally. It doesn't seem fun.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I don’t think some people here are fans of the team

Nope fans just need to keep drinking the kool-aid year after year. Just like the fans up north.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by zamler

Look way way way down from your high horse and listen up, if you're not a fan and don't care about the team you are not here expressing concern. Got it?

Uh, ok.

Is there a difference between ‘expressing concern’ and ####ting on everything?

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by AC

Definitely fair, but there's been a contingent of posters that seem to enjoy when the team fails just for the chance to say "I told you so".

We've seen a few specifically that disappear when the team is winning, but swoop back in after a frustrating loss to shove it in everyone's faces.

I just don't get that type of fandom personally. It doesn't seem fun.

The title is "unpopular opinions." I was pretty much expecting people to be venting their "unpopular opinions" when I clicked on the thread. were people expecting something else?

[AC]

Originally Posted by Psytic

The title is "unpopular opinions." I was pretty much expecting people to be venting their "unpopular opinions" when I clicked on the thread. were people expecting something else?

Yes, and DeluxeMoustache's Unpopular Opinion was that "I don’t think some people here are fans of the team", which generated a discussion.

[Toonage]

I think we can all agree that wasn't so much an opinion as a dig intended to rustle some feathers in this thread.

[AC]

Well obviously I don't agree, because as I just said I have the same opinion.

You might even call it an... unpopular opinion.

[DeluxeMoustache]

It was partly a response to the post directly above

Someone asked to point out one measly positive about the team, and when someone tried, the response to that was, funny enough, negative.