[GDT] Flames vs Panthers (7pm)

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by zamler

Had a hard drive crash on me lost all my post game gif assets. So no Yanet for awhile.

Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by zamler

Had a hard drive crash on me lost all my post game gif assets. So no Yanet for awhile.

Catastrophic development.

No more Puntos for a while.

[shadowlord]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

So here's my brief analysis of the Panthers a few games into the season.

This is a team that can score. They are 9th in the league early on with 3.22 GF/G, and that's without Barkov scoring a single goal yet (although he does have 8 assists). They have 3 legitimate lines that can score, as Connolly has come as advertised, and Malgin has taken a step forward.

The defense is a work in progress still as they rank 8th worst in GA/G. This is not an indictment on Bobrovsky who has been mostly very good (had one bad game to my memory) and has regularly made 10 bell saves most nights. This is a team defense issue, as it was last year. Some signs of progress are there, but the Panthers still give up a lot of high quality chances most nights, and I wonder if it will ever improve with the current personnel.

Coach Q has them working consistently hard every night, so they should not be taken lightly. However, his defensive strategies have not been consistently implemented and thus, the Panthers continue to be a middle of the pack team. If he gets any progress on that aspect this year, they should be a solid playoff team.

Basically, the Flames need to be ready to defend and counterattack. That's the way to beat the Panthers as they often make higher risk plays than necessary. Bobrovsky will bail them out quite a few times in a night, but at some point he will get beat.

Came to the thread to hear from Cali Panthers Fan. Left satisfied.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by zamler

Had a hard drive crash on me lost all my post game gif assets. So no Yanet for awhile.

Season is over. Pack 'er up.

[puckedoff]

Panthers lines per Twitter -


Huberdeau – Barkov – Dadonov
Hoffman – Boyle - Connolly
Vatrano – Malgin - Pysyk
Hunt - Acciari – Sceviour

Weegar - Ekblad
Stillman – Stralman
Yandle - Brown

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by zamler

Had a hard drive crash on me lost all my post game gif assets. So no Yanet for awhile.

The horror.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Panthers lines per Twitter -


Huberdeau – Barkov – Dadonov
Hoffman – Boyle - Connolly
Vatrano – Malgin - Pysyk
Hunt - Acciari – Sceviour

Weegar - Ekblad
Stillman – Stralman
Yandle - Brown

Attack the middle... That looks horrendous.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by zamler

Had a hard drive crash on me lost all my post game gif assets. So no Yanet for awhile.

You have 7 hours. Get your ass to work.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by 868904

Can't say they are wrong.

Last year really doesn't mean anything.

Oil are Oil, but the Canucks have a decent roster. I don't think we should be talking down on these two teams as much as we do, that's Oiler fan mentality.

It isn't 'Oiler fan mentality' because the simple fact of the matter is that the Flames have the best roster of the 3.

And it really isn't that close.

[GioforPM]

IT's a decent scoring team but defensively not very good. So if the Flames play defensively like the last couple games, which were pretty good in that area, and a good transition to attack, the should do well. Barkov is OK as a 2 way guy but not Huberdaeu, Dadonov or Hoffman, and Boyle can't possibly keep up right?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

IT's a decent scoring team but defensively not very good. So if the Flames play defensively like the last couple games, which were pretty good in that area, and a good transition to attack, the should do well. Barkov is OK as a 2 way guy but not Huberdaeu, Dadonov or Hoffman, and Boyle can't possibly keep up right?

You're underselling him just a little. Huberdeau is pretty good defensively most nights too.

I haven't seen Boyle yet, so he might be passable or horrible. Not sure.

When you have the defenseman Pysyk playing wing, you know your team is banged up. That will be the biggest factor in the game tonight.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

You're underselling him just a little. Huberdeau is pretty good defensively most nights too.

I haven't seen Boyle yet, so he might be passable or horrible. Not sure.

When you have the defenseman Pysyk playing wing, you know your team is banged up. That will be the biggest factor in the game tonight.

Yes, Barkov is an excellent 2 way guy. I stand by saying Huberdeau isn't. And Hoffman is downright bad.

Boyle is huge. But there's a reason he's a late signing. He's also going to have his first game adrenaline done with.

[SuperMatt18]

Hopefully the top line can get going tonight...looking at the numbers and they just haven't been able to get to the high danger areas on the ice.

Unclear if that their own style of play, or if teams are collapsing on them in their own zone and the Flames are settling for outside shots.

If you compare some of the key possession stats.

Corsi For Per 60:

2018/2019: 61.0
2019/2020: 62.6

Corsi Against Per 60:

2018/2019: 51.7
2019/2020: 50.7

Shots For Per 60:
2018/2019: 32.6
2019/2020: 35.3

Shots Against Per 60:
2018/2019: 28.9
2019/2020: 29.3

So overall shot generation they are giving up fewer and taking more shots but then you look at high danger...

High Danger For Per 60:

2018/2019: 12.3
2019/2020: 8.9

High Danger Against Per 60:
2018/2019: 11.1
2019/2020: 9.9

There have been some issues with high danger stat reporting for the NHL so far this year but this seems to match the eye test for me. They just haven't been able to get those grade A quality chances they were able to get last year.

And then that translates to the on-ice shooting percentage:

2018/2019: 11.6%
2019/2020: 7.0%

I think they will figure it out, and the better defensive zone play is promising long term, but need to find a way to still generate high quality without leaking defensively.

Edit: High Danger chance numbers might still be broken - so need to potentially take those with a grain of salt.

[FBI]

I will donate $10 to CP if Lucic, Bennett, and Jankowski get 0 points.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

You're underselling him just a little. Huberdeau is pretty good defensively most nights too.

I haven't seen Boyle yet, so he might be passable or horrible. Not sure.

When you have the defenseman Pysyk playing wing, you know your team is banged up. That will be the biggest factor in the game tonight.

Is inserting Pysyk at forward really the best idea for that team even in their current circumstance? Looks like they could've opted to put Jayce Hawryluk in that spot at forward if they really wanted to.

And if they wanted to get Pysyk in there, they could've put him in for Josh Brown for example.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I assume this is a minor threat to Frolik

https://twitter.com/user/status/1187415809473138688

"Changes ready to go for the foward lines" = Czarnik can move up.

It would be a good idea to change that 2nd line before the start of the game IMO. Yeah, Czarnik isn't very good but Frolik has been a hell of a lot worse.

Really, Frolik has been the 2nd worst forward this year and has done nothing to deserve being put back on line 2. Only Janko has been worse.

I don't get going back to that 2nd line at all.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I thought Czarnik was good on the second line... He creates chances with Tkachuk and Backlund so I don't understand why Frolik gets the long leash with Peters.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I thought Czarnik was good on the second line... He creates chances with Tkachuk and Backlund so I don't understand why Frolik gets the long leash with Peters.

It is because the 2nd line is deployed heavily against opponents top line. I don't like the idea Czarnik having to pull important defensive duties.

[SmoggyFlamesFan]

The turtle is concentrating and sending good vibes so that we may come out with two points tonight!

[shadowlord]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I thought Czarnik was good on the second line... He creates chances with Tkachuk and Backlund so I don't understand why Frolik gets the long leash with Peters.

The 3M line has a lot of chemistry that has been built up over the past 2 seasons. If they are separated to start a game, but then reunited in the middle, you can see that the 3 of them know where each other are, especially in the offensive zone. This chemistry doesn't always lead to a scoring chance, but there are fewer missed passes when that trio is cycling the puck.

That is also why it's difficult for other wingers in the bottom-6 to look as good on that line, because the new combo hasn't been together long enough to stick. This is a consequence of Peters' steadfast refusal to make any significant shuffling on the top-2 lines.

Having said this, without the puck, Frolik has the most visible defensive gaffs of the group that end up getting him demoted.