GT: Canadian Federal Election 2019

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

2013 approval? Again, I'm sure you will have no difficulty providing us with that.

Forget the fact that, had it actually been approved in 2012 as originally contended, then why didn't the Conservatives get it built before the election in 2015?

The actual history is that it was approved in 2016, just a couple of months after the NEB finalized it's process and sent to the GIC its recommendation that it be approved.

I was wrong, the original NEB approval cited on wikipedia shows 2013 but it looks like it was only approval of the toll system. Started in May of 2012 with the original application, followed by toll approval in 2013, and a 29 month review and formal approval in May 2016.

https://www.transmountain.com/news/2...-2012-to-today

This page shows an in service date of 2019 as of 2 years ago.

[burn_this_city]

Here's what wikipedia has as a description of the history.

In 2013, the National Energy Board approved a proposal by Kinder Morgan to expand the pipeline with a second span, built roughly parallel to the existing pipeline. The project would expand its capacity from 300,000 barrels per day (48,000 m3/d) a day to 890,000 barrels per day (141,000 m3/d). The proposal attracted controversy due to its potential environmental impact, having faced legal challenges, as well as protests from environmentalists and First Nations groups. The disputes intensified in early 2018, when Alberta and B.C. engaged in a trade war over the expansion project. In May 2018, the federal government announced its intent to buy the pipeline from Kinder Morgan for $4.5 billion, and seek outside investors to complete the expansion (who would also be indemnified for any delays induced by provincial or municipal governments).

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You want to blame Scheer and the party...fair enough. Certainly a part of it all and he will feel the fire for the performance.

I place blame on people who voted way more however. I said it before the election and i say it now...you are condoning what he has done with every X marked on a ballot for the Liberals. Canada likes to think we are morally superior as a collective to the rest of the world...we are not. It was just proven in spades.

I mean if that laundry list of transgressions and law breaking and moral bankruptcy isnt enough to turf him...no idea what else there is short of committing a felony or what ever the Canadian equivalent is called these days.

So who did you vote for in the Alberta election? Was it by chance the guy that was proven to have had a kamikaze candidate help him win the leadership race, and is currently being investigated by the RCMP for identity fraud?

[edslunch]

So much arguing about which leader is worse. It’s easy for me, both. I voted for the party that I felt was most aligned with my views, even though I do not like their leader

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by edslunch

So much arguing about which leader is worse. It’s easy for me, both. I voted for the party that I felt was most aligned with my views, even though I do not like their leader

This exactly. I knew Alberta was going solid blue for this election, so my vote wouldn't matter in the slightest in determining the PM. I voted Liberal primarily because they're the closest to where I sit on the political spectrum (even those CBC platform quizzes say so), and secondarily because the more people like me that don't vote blue, the higher chance this province has of becoming somewhat competitive in federal election and deserving more attention from the east. I mean look at the Harper years, what exactly did he do as PM to directly help Alberta? Not much if anything, and the thing is he didn't have to. He knew Alberta was a lock for his party, so why bother spending time and resources there? The reason Ontario and Quebec get so much attention from Ottawa is because they're the only provinces that routinely change their voting patterns

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

That we are arguing whether it should take 7 years or 10 years to build something other countries (Norway, Lebanon, the US) can build in two or three highlights the problem pretty well.

You realize what an apples to oranges comparison this is, right?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by rubecube

You realize what an apples to oranges comparison this is, right?

I do find that funny considering the number of times some people have compared Alberta to Norway.

Norway people!! NORWAY!!

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Locke

I do find that funny considering the number of times some people have compared Alberta to Norway.

Norway people!! NORWAY!!

Who has compared Norway to Alberta? Norway has a 25% sales tax. Love to see that one proposed in Alberta.

[CaptainCrunch]

Leadnow's activity in this election.


https://business.financialpost.com/o...adian-election

In eight battleground ridings, Leadnow, a Vancouver non-profit with roots in the United States, was busy helping to try to defeat Andrew Scheer and the Conservatives. According to emails sent to anyone who subscribes, Leadnow made 150,000 phone calls, and in Greater Toronto, it ran radio ads against the Conservatives.

Leadnow is one of the lead organizations in a Rockefeller-funded international effort called The Tar Sands Campaign that aims to land-lock oil and natural gas from Western provinces, keeping Canada out of the global oil market. Leadnow has organized protests against all of the pipeline projects that have been scrapped or stalled: Northern Gateway, Keystone XL, Energy East and Trans Mountain as well as Woodfibre LNG and the Coastal Gaslink project in northern B.C.

Online and in the media, Leadnow has portrayed itself as a thoroughly Canadian youth movement, the brainchild of two university students, Adam Shedletzky and Jamie Biggar. But that is not the whole story.


Leadnow was created as part of the Strategic Incubation program of the Citizen Engagement Laboratory (CEL), a charitable foundation in Oakland, Calif. The CEL created and funded a project called the Online Progressive Engagement Network (OPEN).
In its 2015 annual report, OPEN’s executive director, Ben Brandzel, bragged that OPEN ran “a Canadian campaign that moved the needle during the 2015 national election, contributing greatly to the ousting of the Conservative Harper government.” On the basis of that and other evidence, I (and others) made detailed submissions about Leadnow to Elections Canada. After a 17-month investigation during 2017 and 2018, nothing illegal was found.


In 2011, Brandzel came to Canada and helped launch Leadnow. For years, his Facebook profile said, perhaps jokingly, “I can see the Golden Gate from one house and the Washington Monument from the other. And I spend a lot of time interloping in the affairs of foreign nations.” Shortly after Elections Canada opened its investigation, that sentence was removed.


U.S. tax returns show that during its early years, OPEN received US$257,000 from the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, the same Rockefeller charity that provided the seed funding and continues to fund the co-ordination of The Tar Sands Campaign against Canadian oil.
Ironically, the effect of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund’s activism is not to reduce overall world oil production but to shift more of that production to the American monopoly that has Canada over a barrel. By scaring investors away from Canada, activism is diverting billions of investment dollars into the U.S. where the oil industry is booming.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by nik-

Does a deterrent work when you rebate most of the people you're trying to deter?

Idea is to raise prices on carbon intensive things. Not to make a bunch of money.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Locke

I do find that funny considering the number of times some people have compared Alberta to Norway.

Norway people!! NORWAY!!

Hey don't get me wrong, I'm full-blown gay for Scandinavia, but let's at least have an honest debate here.

[Canadianman]

Rednexit is the absolutely perfect term for this.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by nik-

Does a deterrent work when you rebate most of the people you're trying to deter?

Yes, the choices you make are based on price incentives. Increasing your tax return doesn’t change the amount you drive. Increasing the price of gas could change the amount you drive even if there is corresponding increase in the tax rebate.

Human behaviour is sticky rather than rational so it isn’t linear for sure.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by GGG

Yes, the choices you make are based on price incentives. Increasing your tax return doesn’t change the amount you drive. Increasing the price of gas could change the amount you drive even if there is corresponding increase in the tax rebate.

Human behaviour is sticky rather than rational so it isn’t linear for sure.

The tax rebate is a fixed amount, not based on what you pay in carbon tax. So you make money if you decrease your carbon use or you pay if you fill up or car everyday or heat your house using oil.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Canadianman

Rednexit is the absolutely perfect term for this.

But wit Wexit den de widdle wednecks can have a wefewendum!

Alright I'm changing my vote from #Albortion to #Rednexit

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Hey don't get me wrong, I'm full-blown gay for Scandinavia, but let's at least have an honest debate here.

Well, the largest project in recent Norwegian history is the Johan Sverdrup oil field in the North Sea (nearly 3 billion barrels, production of about 600K barrels/day and enough to reverse decades of declining production).

It was discovered in 2010, and started operation a few weeks ago. Included in its construction are a 283 km oil pipeline and a 156 km gas pipeline, laid underwater.

If a similar field was discovered off a coast of Canada today, what's the expectation of how long it will take to get into production, or would it ever be built at all?

[zamler]

The way Norway handles their oil production and revenue is exactly what we should be doing.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by accord1999

Well, the largest project in recent Norwegian history is the Johan Sverdrup oil field in the North Sea (nearly 3 billion barrels, production of about 600K barrels/day and enough to reverse decades of declining production).

It was discovered in 2010, and started operation a few weeks ago. Included in its construction are a 283 km oil pipeline and a 156 km gas pipeline, laid underwater.

If a similar field was discovered off a coast of Canada today, what's the expectation of how long it will take to get into production, or would it ever be built at all?

Depends on which coast. Atlantic Canada? Probably no issue. BC? Yeah, good luck.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by zamler

The way Norway handles their oil production and revenue is exactly what we should be doing.

True, we should:
- Build a refinery in AB and ensure the government has an equity stake, stop/limit imports of foreign oil and rely primarily on our own refined oil
- Have the AB government-run an O&G company and allocate a majority of the licenses to them
- Carefully conserve and manage the resource by limiting production
- Re-invigorate the Heritage Fund
- Implement a carbon tax
- Raise royalties

The "way Norway handles it" is ideal. That said, I think many elements of that are unpalatable to Albertans.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

True, we should:
- Build a refinery in AB and ensure the government has an equity stake, stop/limit imports of foreign oil and rely primarily on our own refined oil
- Have the AB government-run an O&G company and allocate a majority of the licenses to them
- Carefully conserve and manage the resource by limiting production
- Re-invigorate the Heritage Fund
- Implement a carbon tax
- Raise royalties

The "way Norway handles it" is ideal. That said, I think many elements of that are unpalatable to Albertans.

Theres also that whole 'Sovereign Nation vs. Province in Confederation' rigmarole we'd have to concern ourselves with, but lets not let reality get in the way of otherwise perfectly good outrage.