GT: Canadian Federal Election 2019

[Fuzz]

wrong thread.

[transplant99]

The impending lawsuit from 15 teens across Canada will claim they have "suffered specific, individualized injuries" due to climate change, interfering with their constitutional rights to life, liberty and security of the person.

OK...I have to hear the details on this. Would be hours of amusement I would guess.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Alberta's public relations problem is a self-fulfilling prophecy however. Chicken or egg, our whining begets scorn, begets whining begets scorn etc.

We're the Edmonton Oilers of Canada unfortunately; myopic and unable to see past the real or perceived injustices we've endured and constantly trying to do the same thing over and over even though it clearly doesn't work.

No one is buying the martyrdom act.

Boneheaded post.

[transplant99]

As poor an idea as separation may be, there is a very strong case to be made for the AB gov't to strong arm Ottawa much like Quebec has done to get favorable concessions for the province.

This group has been around since the Klein days apparently, but laid back until the last results.

There are different iterations of different groups starting to pop up all over, so this will indeed be a 'thing' of some kind, but remains to be seen how impactful.

https://www.projectconfederation.ca/...alberta_agenda

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

This post adds nothing to the discussion and appears to only have been made in order to get a rise out of PsYcNeT (ie, actually might be characterized as trolling).

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by transplant99

As poor an idea as separation may be, there is a very strong case to be made for the AB gov't to strong arm Ottawa much like Quebec has done to get favorable concessions for the province.

This group has been around since the Klein days apparently, but laid back until the last results.

There are different iterations of different groups starting to pop up all over, so this will indeed be a 'thing' of some kind, but remains to be seen how impactful.

https://www.projectconfederation.ca/...alberta_agenda

I just worry that Alberta lacks the electoral clout to be as effective as Quebec in wrangling concessions from Ottawa. If so, separation threats just cause economic uncertainty (and decreased investment) without actually achieving anything.

[transplant99]

Oh and I see Fildebrant has re-launched the Western Standard.

LOL.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I've always voted Liberal in federal elections, but if the cons could just drop the bible thumping nonsense and adopt a real climate change platform I would have no issues voting for them. Unfortunately with how their leadership elections have been hijacked I doubt that will ever happen

The Libs have no real climate change platform it's all smoke and mirrors did you forget they missed their own targets? No wonder they keep getting elected, perception is greater than reality.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by zamler

The Libs have no real climate change platform it's all smoke and mirrors did you forget they missed their own targets? No wonder they keep getting elected, perception is greater than reality.

Nobody does.

Even the NDP and Greens were bleating on about how nobody had a 'credible plan to deal with climate change' except for them....and their policies would not under any credible definition be considered a 'plan.'

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Makarov

I just worry that Alberta lacks the electoral clout to be as effective as Quebec in wrangling concessions from Ottawa. If so, separation threats just cause economic uncertainty (and decreased investment) without actually achieving anything.

Totally fair point, but also another reason for people to be frustrated to the point of taking action. Particularly on the failed promise of |Trudeau to address electoral reform and when he realized it wasn't a favorable way to go for his party, just shelved it without any hesitation.

It's the scene from Caddyshack....

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Makarov

This post adds nothing to the discussion and appears to only have been made in order to get a rise out of PsYcNeT (ie, actually might be characterized as trolling).

You're breaking the first rule of Psycnet...

Do. Not. Feed.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I think they campaigned centre left but actually governed more to the right. Honestly I think a lot of their economic policies are not so far off the old PC approach in Alberta

I don't think that either the LPC or the old PCs in Alberta governed from the right. Economically, they were spend spend spend parties, which is typically not an economically 'right' trait.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by zamler

The Libs have no real climate change platform it's all smoke and mirrors did you forget they missed their own targets? No wonder they keep getting elected, perception is greater than reality.

And THAT...right there...is what is wrong with politics any longer. We saw it repeatedly in this campaign with people bleating about re-opening abortion, SSM, even a mention today about "bible thumping".....NONE of which was ever part of the last 6 weeks except from those who were pushing a boogeyman agenda.

Meanwhile, entirely ignored by the electorate who voted for a Liberal candidate was the fact they were, in essence, condoning..

SNC Lavalin
Mark Norman railroading
Blackface stuff
Ethics violations
Dismissal of elected representatives who were fired for wanting to tell the truth
and a myriad of other transgressions

Its effing mind boggling how hypocritical it all is.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by calculoso

I don't think that either the LPC or the old PCs in Alberta governed from the right. Economically, they were spend spend spend parties, which is typically not an economically 'right' trait.

Not once they stabbed Ralph square between the shoulders with a long blade.

Been downhill ever since.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by transplant99

And THAT...right there...is what is wrong with politics any longer. We saw it repeatedly in this campaign with people bleating about re-opening abortion, SSM, even a mention today about "bible thumping".....NONE of which was ever part of the last 6 weeks except from those who were pushing a boogeyman agenda.

Blows my mind that, despite numerous explanations, Scheer supporters still don't get the issue at hand here.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Not once they stabbed Ralph square between the shoulders with a long blade.



Been downhill ever since.

Yes, because "Ralph bucks" were just a beacon of fiscal responsibility.

[CaptainCrunch]

The block stumbled on a brilliant strategy in this election, not separation, but nationalism, Quebec will run its own affairs and if we need something from the Feds we'll tell you what it is and you'll give it to us.


Its realistically the strategy that Alberta needs, however we don't have the vote clout that Quebec is. However we need to find other ways to be able to get the urgency across.



The Bloc was brilliant, why would we separate when we can snap our fingers and get whatever we want. We can break the constitution and the Feds will say Yes sir may I have another.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Blows my mind that, despite numerous explanations, Scheer supporters still don't get the issue at hand here.

No, people get it, they just don't put the same value on it that some apparently do. It's not a lack of understanding.

One horribly corrupt party, two that want to directly target our largest industry and one that has a leader with ####ty views but stated he won't legislate on it.

If people want to make the choice to vote against someone with ####ty personal opinions and vote for someone who legitimately tried to make corruption the law of the land, that's their right. Just don't try to sell it to me as some morally superior position, it's just ####tier in a different way, a tangible one.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yes, because "Ralph bucks" were just a beacon of fiscal responsibility.

Really...if you want to hang onto that as some sort of feather in the cap, fill your boots.

But there is no argument that Klein was a fiscal conservative to the core and why he was elected to begin with.

It was the left who tried to villify him for his austerity measures for years and years...he was a big bad meanie who didnt care about social programs or health care or whatever the buzzwords of the day were. Yet that is exactly what he ran his campaign on and what he said he would do...and was elected with the largest majority in the provinces history to do it.

I know for some its hard to believe, but there has been governments in the past that actually did what they said they would so if elected. Klein is the last one provincially to do so.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by nik-

No, people get it, they just don't put the same value on it that some apparently do. It's not a lack of understanding.



One horribly corrupt party, two that want to directly target our largest industry and one that has a leader with ####ty views but stated he won't legislate on it.



If people want to make the choice to vote for someone with ####ty personal opinions over someone who legitimately tried to make corruption the law of the land, that's their right. Just don't try to sell it to me as some morally superior position, it's just ####tier in a different way, a tangible one.

Settle down, that's not at all what I said. My point was believing Scheer holds ####ty beliefs that are disqualifying and/or believing he would do nothing to advance various minority rights (and if you read the CPC platform, this was clearly justified) doesn't mean you think he's a "bogeyman" or that he plans to reopen the debate.