GT: Canadian Federal Election 2019

[mrdonkey]

The fact that Scheer lost to probably the most vulnerable and highly-scrutinized candidate the Liberals have had in our generation should tell you something about how badly the conservative party needs to re-think their strategy.

Being anti-LGBTQ and pro-oil-and-gas aren't good enough reasons by themselves to goad people into voting for you anymore. The fact that Canada didn't join the rest of the western world in their quest for social recessivism is proof that our society is free, not that it's broken.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Muta

Yeah, conservatives are going to have to shed their image that people have of them regarding LGBTQ issues. It's almost 2020... time to accept people however they identify themselves as.

That said, I think we can all agree that religion, and religious institutions, have no place in government and need to be weeded out and left behind as quick as possible. Separate church and state.

Until the Conservative Party sheds it's religious right elements within its party and stop catering to it, they alienate anyone even remotely socially left who vote on social issues. They should be a centre right party, and you can't be that when you have a homophobe like Scheer running a national party.

Harper did well by distancing himself as much as possible to those elements. Why on Earth did the conservative Party put Scheer in charge (and 2nd was Bernier?). Trudeau was one of the weakest leaders in Canadian history and he couldn't be beat because of truly unlikable candidates


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_C...rship_election

Scheer, Bernier, Trost, why elect these socially right types that won't get anybody new to vote Conservative?

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by dino7c

well great, we will kill our economy and have zero effect...but can be smug and knowing we did our part

Hey, I'm bankrupt. I spend a million dollars a month and I make just 10 grand a month. But whoooooa boy, I totally saved a buck buying used timbits from that homeless hobo rather than from Tim Hortons directly.

#### yeah!

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

The fact that Canada didn't join the rest of the western world in their quest for social recessivism is proof that our society is free, not that it's broken.

The most voters of any party?

[GGG]

I would like to see major party leadership votes be open to all people not currently in a party for no fee.

Instead of trying to raise money by selling memberships use the leadership race to buy emails from the people you are trying to expand to. It also would improve governance if every four years you could vote in one parties leadership race.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Harper did well by distancing himself as much as possible to those elements. Why on Earth did the conservative Party put Scheer in charge (and 2nd was Bernier?).

Because Scheer said he'd let those elements have a voice again.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by kermitology

If the conservatives came out with a platform that did something about climate change, unequivocally supported LGBTQ and practiced responsible spending AND taxation (because they are a necessary evil) they would win. But they don’t.

If Scheer wrapped himself in a rainbow flag he'd be accused of pandering.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by zamler

I feel what you're missing is there is nothing Scheer could have said to quell the criticism, the attack point is being used for the sake of it.

I can think of a couple things he could have done. He could have said no free votes by his caucus on these issues, for example. He could have come out harder against the Bloq and Bernier on immigration. But mostly, he could have done a better job on candidates.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by zamler

If Scheer wrapped himself in a rainbow flag he'd be accused of pandering.

It is "funny" the guy who actually did something racist is the liberal leader...but he said sorry (and lied) and then sorry again

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by zamler

If Scheer wrapped himself in a rainbow flag he'd be accused of pandering.

Did he say or do anything else though to discredit his past comments/views? His silence speaks the loudest here.

[theTrumanShow]

Dark days ahead. Hopefully time for separation. Enough is enough.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I can think of a couple things he could have done. He could have said no free votes by his caucus on these issues, for example. He could have come out harder against the Bloq and Bernier on immigration. But mostly, he could have done a better job on candidates.

Scheer could have been better in so many ways he's terrible at shaping the narrative. The guy simply doesn't inspire. The bizarre thing is the Cons have people that would.

[81MC]

The BQ should not be a federal party.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

A few folks in here talking about how on earth they could want Trudeau, the conservative platform doesn’t align with 60% to 65% of the country. Liberals, NDP, Greens, Bloc...all Left or Centre Left.

Andrew Coyne put it pretty well I think, if the conservatives don’t start looking past its base, it will have a hard time winning. Alberta is a shoe-in, Sask is a shoe in, but to win you need to start appealing to more than just the base. There’s a bubble in Alberta, outside of it nobody really cares about the oil patch.

People care about climate change, LGTBQ rights, abortion rights, fair taxes for the middle class, less tax breaks for big business, yet the conservative platform cling to those ideas. That’s not going to fly with the left/Centre left, so you won’t get those votes.

This is probably why we should just go off on our own. Nobody outside of our bubble cares about what happens in our bubble, why then should our bubble be controlled by people who don't care about it?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

well great, we will kill our economy and have zero effect...but can be smug and knowing we did our part

I think we can do it without killing the economy. Scheer wasn’t horrible on this, but he wasn’t great either. But I think Trudeau actually lost ground to the left side on this issue anyway, so it didn’t hurt Scheer.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by zamler

If Scheer wrapped himself in a rainbow flag he'd be accused of pandering.

Of course he would, because he would be. He was a bad choice.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by AnonymousStranger

Here's a question. Would the Americans risk jeopardizing their relationship with Canada if a separatist party came into power in Alberta and starting appealing for American statehood? I mean it's not like Canada can do anything about it.

The United States doesn’t want any part of Canada. If they want something in Canada they will just take it through economic force. The United States is not granting statehood to any ex-Canadian province, especially when they have a whole series of protectorates that have real American citizens in them waiting for statehood.

[AnonymousStranger]

If Michael Chong won, then the CPC would have won tonight. I did my part and voted for him. It's a shame that the CPC is still so backwards.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by theTrumanShow

Dark days ahead. Hopefully time for separation. Enough is enough.

And how exactly would that help Alberta?

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Did he say or do anything else though to discredit his past comments/views? His silence speaks the loudest here.

You sound exactly like a friend of mine Trudeau is not racist because he openly did blackface. It's the stuff you don't see a candidate do that's actually scary.

That hidden agenda. No wonder a clown like Trudeau got reelected.