[News] Flames recall Alan Quine. Kylington sent down.

[AC]

Mangiapane was skating today so that's good news as it looked like he could have had a concussion.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Does sending down a good player in kylington to preserve cap space on a 12 man roster constitute painting yourself into a corner?

Looks pretty bleak to me.

Only if you are an extreme pessimist. And want to ignore the fact that we need another forward for tonight.

When they want Stone in, Kylington is going to sit. That's pretty much expected. We are currently only a couple hours away from where our AHL team is, so if you're planning to play Stone tonight, there's literally no reason not to save a few dollars on the cap. Even if we weren't tight to it, this would still be the wise course of action.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

When they want Stone in, Kylington is going to sit. That's pretty much expected.

I miss when the Flames were a meritocracy under Hartley rather than arbitrary 'Rules' of this ilk.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I miss when the Flames were a meritocracy under Hartley rather than arbitrary 'Rules' of this ilk.

Kylington would be the one sitting under Hartley too, dude. He's the 6th D, and he hasn't yet shown he should be higher.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by 868904

I think Stone was coming in for Kylington regardless in a back-to-back situation so it really doesn’t matter, might as well bank some cap space.

Why would take kylington out after the game he just had?

I thought he played pretty well.

[djsFlames]

"Always earned never given" was a great slogan/mantra. Never should've changed.

Hartley might have been a bit of a nutjob but he had the motivating and button pushing aspects of the job down.

He got an impressive amount out of a roster that was significantly weaker than this one.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

"Always earned never given" was a great slogan/mantra. Never should've changed.

Hartley might have been a bit of a nutjob but he had the motivating and button pushing aspects of the job down.

He got an impressive amount out of a roster that was significantly weaker than this one.

Also, he was a great quote.

Too bad he wasn’t Treliving’s guy.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Kylington would be the one sitting under Hartley too, dude. He's the 6th D, and he hasn't yet shown he should be higher.

He's been used as the 6th D, yes.
He's been the beneficiariy of some sheltering, yes

those are things he cannot control.

By performance, 5v5 he has been

4th in shot attempts %
1st in unblocked shot attempts %
2nd in expected goals %
3rd in hits / minute
3rd in blocked shots / minute
4th in takeaways/ minute
1st in rush attempts / minute
2nd in individual scoring chances / minute

And yes, he has been on the wrong end of some rather chintzy penalty calls and visually awkward sequences - not unlike every other Dman on the team.

He has no upward mobility on the roster regardless of how he plays. And I agree there are things he could stand to work into his icetime, but I don't think there's any rational justification for treating him as the sixth D. If he falters hard with more opportunity, so be it. But arbitrarily being sent down like this is the team wearing blindfolds to their own player.

Hartley saw the raw ability or at least effort of players like Bennett, Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie, Giordano, Byron, even Josh Jooris (lol) and put them in places to succeed. He ran a meritocracy. Not a perfect one, and he didn't have a ton of talent to work with or the best systems, but at least he knew to slot guys where they could succeed. Though he did overplay Bollig thinking we needed a fighter.

[GioforPM]

I think Hartley wears out his welcome with players pretty quickly. And because he came across as jovial with the press (as opposed to his conduct with players) he seemed a bit insincere to me.

[Freeway]

Bob was a good motivator but an awful tactician.

[genetic_phreek]

Why not put Stone on waivers and send him down? Is it not enough time? Kylington and Andersson were doing decent.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Why not put Stone on waivers and send him down? Is it not enough time? Kylington and Andersson were doing decent.

Then we’d likely lose him on waivers and have decreased our defensive depth. Sounds like a terrible idea. I don’t think he clears at his reduced salary.

[btimbit]

I like Quine

Interesting that he's the callup though. Won't he require waivers to go back down? With that in mind I'm surprised they didn't call up Dube or Phillips. Must expect him to see a lot of press box time.

I wouldn't be upset if Quine performs alright and Reider gets sent down instead

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I like Quine

Interesting that he's the callup though. Won't he require waivers to go back down? With that in mind I'm surprised they didn't call up Dube or Phillips. Must expect him to see a lot of press box time.

I wouldn't be upset if Quine performs alright and Reider gets sent down instead

I think he can still be sent down for a period of time because he recently cleared waivers?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think he can still be sent down for a period of time because he recently cleared waivers?

Right forgot about that. What is it, 30 days? And a certain amount of games played?

[Odin36]

I think another factor might be that this is one of the few locations where Kylington can be sent down in a 'paper' transaction without actually having to leave the team, given its current proximity to Stockton. I wouldn't be surprised to see him recalled again when the Flames leave California, barring injuries.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Odin36

I think another factor might be that this is one of the few locations where Kylington can be sent down in a 'paper' transaction without actually having to leave the team, given its current proximity to Stockton. I wouldn't be surprised to see him recalled again when the Flames leave California, barring injuries.

There are no more "paper transactions" in the NHL. When a player is assigned to the affiliate, they need to actually report to the team.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Right forgot about that. What is it, 30 days? And a certain amount of games played?

30 days or 10 games played.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Why not put Stone on waivers and send him down? Is it not enough time? Kylington and Andersson were doing decent.

Because we need a 7th defenceman, and the best choice is a vet who can come in every fourth or fifth game. i.e. Stone.

Seiously. Kylington hasn't been exiled to Siberia. He'll probsbly be on the flight home.

[shogged]

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