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[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Also Bennett is starting to drift into Yakupov territory.

Starting to? We'll be lucky if Bennett catches Yakupov in production. In 350 games Yakupov scored 62 goals and 174 points. Bennett needs to score 7 goals and 19 points in the next 33 games to match Yakupov. I don't see that happening.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by New Era

Starting to? We'll be lucky if Bennett catches Yakupov in production. In 350 games Yakupov scored 62 goals and 174 points. Bennett needs to score 7 goals and 19 points in the next 33 games to match Yakupov. I don't see that happening.

Wow that’s a scary stat... didn’t know it was this bad.
Different style of players but still not good.

[Erick Estrada]

I know fans here like to focus on Bennett but at least he puts in an effort even with the mistakes. Jankowski may be the worst player in the league right now. There is simply nothing redeeming about his game or compete level. The team just isn't looking very good to start the season and it's hard to say how much is typical October, how much is that maybe the team isn't as good as it was last season, and maybe there too much of an Oilers stink on the team.

[ComixZone]

The focus on Bennett is bizarre. Dude is a 3rd line winger who works hard, performs well in the playoffs, and like most other 3rd line wingers struggles with consistency.

Those who beat the drum like he’s the reason the team has looked so unimpressive this year...I just don’t get it. It’s Edmonton-levels of fan analysis of what’s going on, and also shows just how short your memories are. Dude was our best player and put up 5 pts in 5 games in the playoffs, which was a time when everyone else who is still on the team absolutely phoned it in.

I like him on this team for what he is today.

[Husky]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The focus on Bennett is bizarre. Dude is a 3rd line winger who works hard, performs well in the playoffs, and like most other 3rd line wingers struggles with consistency.

Those who beat the drum like he’s the reason the team has looked so unimpressive this year...I just don’t get it. It’s Edmonton-levels of fan analysis of what’s going on, and also shows just how short your memories are. Dude was our best player and put up 5 pts in 5 games in the playoffs, which was a time when everyone else who is still on the team absolutely phoned it in.

I like him on this team for what he is today.

I agree he is a 3rd line player but 1 point in 5 games is poor.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The focus on Bennett is bizarre. Dude is a 3rd line winger who works hard, performs well in the playoffs, and like most other 3rd line wingers struggles with consistency.

Those who beat the drum like he’s the reason the team has looked so unimpressive this year...I just don’t get it. It’s Edmonton-levels of fan analysis of what’s going on, and also shows just how short your memories are. Dude was our best player and put up 5 pts in 5 games in the playoffs, which was a time when everyone else who is still on the team absolutely phoned it in.

I like him on this team for what he is today.

Seriously.........so what? What does that have to do with what is happening right now?

This club needs to actually get into the playoffs before anything like that matters to this season. He needs to be part of that as a contributing member of a group. He along with others, is NOT that at this point. In fact he has been a detriment at times with his bone headed penalties and juvenile one on one moves that lead to turnovers, which then lead to odd man rushes against.

He needs to be better. A whole lot better. Whether others are in the same boat or not is irrelevant. He was expected by many to "break out" this year and settle the 2nd line RW dilemma. Not even close. In fact he hasn't even settled the 3rd line problem at this time even if its not just him causing a problem. The less he plays, the better the club has done. Is that not worth exploring?

5th season. Still unable to establish a steady role. Still making rookie mistakes. Still good at fancy stats that mean absolutely sweet bugger all when the entire picture is viewed.

yeah, he is more than worthy for the discussion around him.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I feel like the ability to breakout of your own zone vs apply a forecheck to disrupt/slowdown the opposition breakout is equivalent to the game within a game element of the offense vs defence lines in football.

The high skill players get the accolades, but it's usually a won line battle that results in a big football play. Just like how an nhl team looks 'fast' and generates tremendous scoring chances off the rush due to strong transition.

Flames were tremendous at transition/breaking out last year. They have been garbage so far this year. That may have something to do with rust and as poor start, but it also could be a lot of team scouting the avs playoff series, as colorado completely suffocated the flames breakout and transition game.

Peters has to be able to adapt.

Keep in mind the Flames were up and down and struggling last October as well. Their defensive game was a mess and had to be dialed in.

On November 1st last year the Flames were the 6th worst team in the league when it came to goals against rates.

Given that I've felt the beginning of this season was more about getting back to their game and results don't matter all that much to me as long as they stick around .500.

[---Hatrick---]

Maybe they’re just ensuring they peak at the right time

[memphusk]

Jankowski is no good. He needs to go and it should have been this summer.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by transplant99

5th season. Still unable to establish a steady role. Still making rookie mistakes. Still good at fancy stats that mean absolutely sweet bugger all when the entire picture is viewed.

yeah, he is more than worthy for the discussion around him.

For the record, his ‘fancy stats’ have been absolutely atrocious so far this season. And they’ve never actually been that good other than a very arbitrary stat about scoring chances that should be ignored far as I’m concerned.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Jankowski is no good. He needs to go and it should have been this summer.

Absolutely. This was the worst flames offseason that I can remember. The only good thing they did was NOT resign Smith.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The focus on Bennett is bizarre. Dude is a 3rd line winger who works hard, performs well in the playoffs, and like most other 3rd line wingers struggles with consistency.

Those who beat the drum like he’s the reason the team has looked so unimpressive this year...I just don’t get it. It’s Edmonton-levels of fan analysis of what’s going on, and also shows just how short your memories are. Dude was our best player and put up 5 pts in 5 games in the playoffs, which was a time when everyone else who is still on the team absolutely phoned it in.

I like him on this team for what he is today.

Yeah kind of an odd fascination.

I'd like the guy to have a better start, but he's a good third line player. May never be more, but certainly isn't the problem or drifting towards replacement level.

Bigger fish to fry on the roster right now than Bennett.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

For the record, his ‘fancy stats’ have been absolutely atrocious so far this season. And they’ve never actually been that good other than a very arbitrary stat about scoring chances that should be ignored far as I’m concerned.

I love this.

I'm bringing up fancy stats to say he isn't good, but please don't look at the stats that you can look up that says he is good.

OK ...

I don't think he's a great defensive player and that's where he should focus. Become a better up and down honest player.

But that doesn't mean he doesn't generate, because those stats you want to ignore are pretty simple counting stats for high danger events in high danger areas. They shouldn't be ignored.

Doesn't save him from being poor defensively though.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I love this.

I'm bringing up fancy stats to say he isn't good, but please don't look at the stats that you can look up that says he is good.

OK ...

I don't think he's a great defensive player and that's where he should focus. Become a better up and down honest player.

But that doesn't mean he doesn't generate, because those stats you want to ignore are pretty simple counting stats for high danger events in high danger areas. They shouldn't be ignored.

Doesn't save him from being poor defensively though.

I love how well you read. I didn’t bring up the fancy stats to show he wasn’t good, I was just correcting someone who said his fancy stats are good which they are not.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

I love how well you read. I didn’t bring up the fancy stats to show he wasn’t good, I was just correcting someone who said his fancy stats are good which they are not.

I can read just fine.

You didn't say this?

For the record, his ‘fancy stats’ have been absolutely atrocious so far this season. And they’ve never actually been that good other than a very arbitrary stat about scoring chances that should be ignored far as I’m concerned.

Seems reading wasn't an issue. I responded directly to what you said.

Bennett is a middle of team possession player. He ranks about 10th or 11th for skaters when it comes to possession. He's a high event player so he gives up too much but also generates a lot. His high danger splits are higher which usually points to future production, but that hasn't been the case for Bennett.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I can read just fine.

You didn't say this?



Seems reading wasn't an issue. I responded directly to what you said.

Ya, again I was correcting him for saying his fancy stats are good because they are not. Can you follow the thread of a conversation?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

Ya, again I was correcting him for saying his fancy stats are good because they are not. Can you follow the thread of a conversation?

No I can't. Sorry. I'm somewhat dense and illiterate.

Why don't you just deal with the fact that someone responded directly to what you said. Your odd fascination with insulting me instead of just dealing with the response is pretty immature.

You be you though.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I know fans here like to focus on Bennett but at least he puts in an effort even with the mistakes. Jankowski may be the worst player in the league right now. There is simply nothing redeeming about his game or compete level. The team just isn't looking very good to start the season and it's hard to say how much is typical October, how much is that maybe the team isn't as good as it was last season, and maybe there too much of an Oilers stink on the team.

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The focus on Bennett is bizarre. Dude is a 3rd line winger who works hard, performs well in the playoffs, and like most other 3rd line wingers struggles with consistency.

Those who beat the drum like he’s the reason the team has looked so unimpressive this year...I just don’t get it. It’s Edmonton-levels of fan analysis of what’s going on, and also shows just how short your memories are. Dude was our best player and put up 5 pts in 5 games in the playoffs, which was a time when everyone else who is still on the team absolutely phoned it in.

I like him on this team for what he is today.

A lot of it is from the same posters beating the same drum. Some "fans" need to blame someone, like it's one player that is causing the Flames playing so poorly.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by Bingo

No I can't. Sorry. I'm somewhat dense and illiterate.

Why don't you just deal with the fact that someone responded directly to what you said. Your odd fascination with insulting me instead of just dealing with the response is pretty immature.

You be you though.

Your odd fascination with not understanding anything is interesting. That is cool that you responded directly to what I said, but you responded in a way that deliberately ignored the thread of what I was responding to. Again, I didn’t bring up his fancy stats, I was simply Telling someone who said his stats were good that they actually were not. And then I added an addendum about my opinion of fancy stats.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

Your odd fascination with not understanding anything is interesting. That is cool that you responded directly to what I said, but you responded in a way that deliberately ignored the thread of what I was responding to. Again, I didn’t bring up his fancy stats, I was simply Telling someone who said his stats were good that they actually were not. And then I added an addendum about my opinion of fancy stats.

There you go again. Hurl an insult. Odd one at that ... it's not that I don't understand, you take it a step further than I'm fascinated with not understanding? I'm not sure that even makes sense.

You said he's not good at fancy stats ... he's middle of the team. You then said not to look at other fancy stats that say he's better than most of his teammates.

That's fair game to respond to, and I did.