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rohara66 · 10-07-2019, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaudfather

Let's hope Bennett can take full advantage of this opportunity if he finds himself on the 2nd line on Tuesday.

Year 4 (or 5) of praying for Bennett to pan out.

Honestly I think all it takes is a couple lucky bounces and a couple goals/points on the scoreboard to get his confidence going. Flames need someone to step up and steal that third spot on the second line.

mrdonkey · 10-07-2019, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SmoggyFlamesFan

I am curious as to your thoughts on why. This team appears very well assembled with AHL depth champing at the bit to earn a callup.

Big chunks of salary allocated to bottom 6 role players, other players slotted a line or two higher than they should be on a championship team, several very streaky players put into scoring roles resulting in stretches where primary or secondary scoring doesn’t show up for a long time.

It all just looks like a bit of a dog’s breakfast after that first line. It should still come together as a playoff team, but maybe somewhere like 5th-6th in the conference and not 2nd overall.

IamNotKenKing · 10-07-2019, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SmoggyFlamesFan

I am curious as to your thoughts on why. This team appears very well assembled with AHL depth champing at the bit to earn a callup.

Thanked simply for the correct use of "champing".

btimbit · 10-07-2019, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pepper24

Our best option to replace Frolik on 2nd line is playing in Edmonton traded for a 4th liner. Ouch.

Yeah because he truly showed he was capable of that here

Johnny Makarov · 10-07-2019, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pepper24

Our best option to replace Frolik on 2nd line is playing in Edmonton traded for a 4th liner. Ouch.

Were you in a coma last season? Neal is not an option on the Flames.

Lanny_McDonald · 10-07-2019, 01:54 PM

Good. Now he better produce.

dino7c · 10-07-2019, 01:59 PM

No excuses...if Bennett is as good as some people think he is we need results. Not just chances and hard work.

Flash Walken · 10-07-2019, 02:01 PM

One year all of Bennett's terrible puckluck is going to reverse itself and he's going to hit 20 goals.

If Donovan can hit 18 and Bouma can hit 17, Bennett can hit 20.

I just hope to god that season happens in the next year or two.

Bennett shooting at 14 or 15 percent for a season would be so huge for the Flames.

bax · 10-07-2019, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Big chunks of salary allocated to bottom 6 role players, other players slotted a line or two higher than they should be on a championship team, several very streaky players put into scoring roles resulting in stretches where primary or secondary scoring doesn’t show up for a long time.

It all just looks like a bit of a dog’s breakfast after that first line. It should still come together as a playoff team, but maybe somewhere like 5th-6th in the conference and not 2nd overall.

I think if you looked at a lot of team's lineups and combinations right now you would think the same thing. Just for example here is Boston:

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
Debrusk-Coyle-Ritchie
Heinen-Lindholm-Kuhlman
Wagner-Kuraly-Backes

Big salary bottom six= Backes
Players slotted a line too high = Ritchie, Coyle, Kuhlman, Lindholm
Streaky scoring players = Debrusk, Coyle

Monahammer · 10-07-2019, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pepper24

Our best option to replace Frolik on 2nd line is playing in Edmonton traded for a 4th liner. Ouch.

Lol Neal on our 2nd line. Are you a lunatic?

Flash Walken · 10-07-2019, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bax

I think if you looked at a lot of team's lineups and combinations right now you would think the same thing. Just for example here is Boston:

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
Debrusk-Coyle-Ritchie
Heinen-Lindholm-Kuhlman
Wagner-Kuraly-Backes

Big salary bottom six= Backes
Players slotted a line too high = Ritchie, Coyle, Kuhlman, Lindholm
Streaky scoring players = Debrusk, Coyle

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Debrusk - KREJCI - Kuhlman
Heinen - Coyle - Ritchie

GioforPM · 10-07-2019, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Debrusk - KREJCI - Kuhlman
Heinen - Coyle - Ritchie

He said "right now". Krejci is out.

ComixZone · 10-07-2019, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lol Neal on our 2nd line. Are you a lunatic?

bax · 10-07-2019, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Debrusk - KREJCI - Kuhlman
Heinen - Coyle - Ritchie

I thought Krejci was injured? Maybe I'm wrong, but regardless you can look at pretty much any team and call it a dog's breakfast after the first line. I do agree it would be nice if the Flames would have landed Kadri or Zucker though. another top 6 piece would do wonders.

Flash Walken · 10-07-2019, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bax

I thought Krejci was injured? Maybe I'm wrong, but regardless you can look at pretty much any team and call it a dog's breakfast after the first line. I do agree it would be nice if the Flames would have landed Kadri or Zucker though. another top 6 piece would do wonders.

He played in their last game so I don't think so.

And even if he was, you'd be comparing the Flames healthy lineup to an injured Bruins lineup, how does that make sense. Krejci is one of their most important players. If the Flames had a 70+ point second line centre, that big hole on RW wouldn't be as noticeable.

bax · 10-07-2019, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

He played in their last game so I don't think so.

And even if he was, you'd be comparing the Flames healthy lineup to an injured Bruins lineup, how does that make sense. Krejci is one of their most important players. If the Flames had a 70+ point second line centre, that big hole on RW wouldn't be as noticeable.

Well the point I was making is that a lot of teams are moving guys around the line up at this part of the year. Experimenting, moving guys up and down, etc. Besides, the Bruins were in the cup final last year, it's expected that they would have a great looking line up. It just goes to show you that the gap isn't that large.

Here is a better example. This is what Dallas is rolling with right now- a team that finished 6th in the west last year and made it to game 7 overtime of the second round.

Gurianov - Seguin - Radulov
Janmark - Hintz - Pavelski
Benn - Faksa - Dowling
Cogliano - Gardner - Caamano

Flames Draft Watcher · 10-07-2019, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mrdonkey

The more I look at those lines, the more I’m coming to realize that this maybe isn’t a super deep team. I think last year’s 2nd overall finish was a mirage that tricked us into thinking this group is better than they really are.

Whether we’re a deep team or not likely rests on if any of the following take a step: Mangiapane, Bennett, Czarnik, Jankowski, Dube. If a few of those guys take a big step forward then we’re definitely deep.

Flames Draft Watcher · 10-07-2019, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Itse

Whether or not that point needed to be made in public, I do think there was a point to be made.

Frolik ended the season with 16G and 18A despite his injury. Roughly 20+22 pace, which to me seems perfectly respectable considering he missed a good chunk of the season to an injury and the way he kept being bounced from his spot on the second line for players who did even less with those opportunities.

He played only a total of 4 minutes of PP all season. That's less PP time than guys like Stone, Fantenberg and Hathaway. Even Ryan Lomberg got more PP time relative to games played. James Neal got fed 135 minutes of PP time and famously did nothing with them. (Frolik didn't even get much PK time last season, so that's not an excuse.)

You can question whether his offensive chops are good enough for 2nd line duty, but I can see why Frolik felt like he wasn't treated fairly.

You can be a 20 goal scorer while being a bad PP option. We have more skilled guys than Frolik who aren’t on the PP. Frolik is not a good PP player. If he thinks he deserves PP minutes he’s mistaken.

sinceAtlanta · 10-07-2019, 03:02 PM

Rieder-Jankowski-Frolik ... that'a a heckuva good 4th line, especially when everyone's going.

it's up to 'Bennett/Mangiapane/?' to seize the opportunity ... with Frolik heading to UFA status, looks like the flames would like nothing better than have one of their homegrown guys take the spot upstairs and run with it. They're working on it anyway.

Itse · 10-07-2019, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

One year all of Bennett's terrible puckluck is going to reverse itself and he's going to hit 20 goals.

If Donovan can hit 18 and Bouma can hit 17, Bennett can hit 20.

I just hope to god that season happens in the next year or two.

Bennett shooting at 14 or 15 percent for a season would be so huge for the Flames.

Sam Bennett should EASILY hit 20 if you put him on the 2nd line right now.

2018-19 Michael Frolik played with a 20 goal pace with (mostly) those guys, and while I'm all about defending Frolik, he also has a career s% of just 8.1.

Put Bennett on the 2nd line with Tkachuk and Backlund and give him some PP time (even on the 2nd unit), and he either hits at least 25 goals or you accept that there was never that much offensive upside.

Because Tkachuk and Backlund are pretty damned good linemates.