2019/2020 English Premier League

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

That should be a red card for the tackle on Salah. Directly from behind with no intent to go for the ball

I agree. Or soccer needs to introduce a sin bin for fouls like that

[Senator Clay Davis]

That was pathetic from Mane, no way is that a penalty.

[Bagor]

FFS!

It's written for them this year.

[GirlySports]

Albright or Evans should have put that ball into row Z.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Albright or Evans should have put that ball into row Z.

True, but what is the point of VAR then? Barely touches him, goes down a full two seconds after contact, and still upheld.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

True, but what is the point of VAR then? Barely touches him, goes down a full two seconds after contact, and still upheld.

There's no way VAR overturns a call when there is clearly contact. Once there is contact it's subjective and up to the ref.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Contact is not a foul. That was not going to be a penalty until Mane dived. I was hopefully VAR might actually help eliminate diving, but if the standard to overturn the initial call is too high, it won't help at all. Too bad.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

True, but what is the point of VAR then? Barely touches him, goes down a full two seconds after contact, and still upheld.

A full two seconds in slow mo.

VAR can only overturn clear mistakes. There was contact. Soccer isn't like hockey. A foul and a dive cannot coexist.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Contact is not a foul. That was not going to be a penalty until Mane dived. I was hopefully VAR might actually help eliminate diving, but if the standard to overturn the initial call is too high, it won't help at all. Too bad.

I didn't say it was a foul, just that it isn't a situation VAR will jump in because it is subjective. I've complained about VAR a couple of times when I disagreed with it (mostly the Liverpool/Napoli game), but I'd much rather they set the bar too high at first and adjust over time then see multiple calls get changed every game.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

I didn't say it was a foul, just that it isn't a situation VAR will jump in because it is subjective. I've complained about VAR a couple of times when I disagreed with it (mostly the Liverpool/Napoli game), but I'd much rather they set the bar too high at first and adjust over time then see multiple calls get changed every game.

It was a foul otherwise VAR would jump in.

[devo22]

looks like this is their year.

unless they let it slip

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Told you.

Lol, you're always down on Spurs and a broken clock is right twice a day.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah that was a dive by Mane, I’d like soccer to be able to call embellishment even if there is slight contact.

[SuperMatt18]

double post

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Slava

Lol, you're always down on Spurs and a broken clock is right twice a day.

Nope. I simply tried to address your delusions that they were an automatic shoe in for third by injecting a bit of reality to your world that they were indeed actually as crap as United.

You should be thanking me.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

I didn't say it was a foul, just that it isn't a situation VAR will jump in because it is subjective. I've complained about VAR a couple of times when I disagreed with it (mostly the Liverpool/Napoli game), but I'd much rather they set the bar too high at first and adjust over time then see multiple calls get changed every game.

The concern though is you turn everyone against VAR by setting it too high. We're seeing it in the NFL where I suspect by seasons end everyone will want challenging PI to be scrapped (significant amounts of fans already do). The point of replay should not be to correct "clear and obvious errors", it should be to get the call right. No, it wasn't a clear and obvious error, but it also wasn't a penalty. So get the call right, don't just fix what is perceived to be a clear and obvious error.

End of the day though Girly was right that Albrighton should have put that ball into row Z, or even let Schmeichel claim it. Penalty or not, he made an absolute mess of that.

[GirlySports]

The bigger hypothetical is if the ref hadn't called a penalty, would VAR have overturned it? Because there was contact.
The dive doesn't matter.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah that was a dive by Mane, I’d like soccer to be able to call embellishment even if there is slight contact.

But then you're going back into the world of subjectivity leading back to inconsistency.

As much as I hate the decision there is clear contact and he went down. Apply that across the board and I'm ok with it.

The smart thing for the ref to do is not make a call on the field unless 100% sure to the point where they don't need to consult VAR. If they need to go to VAR they should act like linesmen on offsides and delay an on field decision until then.

I'm curious what would have happened if he went to Var prior to making the call on the field.

[GirlySports]

In the heat of the moment every ref thinks hes 100% sure.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

The bigger hypothetical is if the ref hadn't called a penalty, would VAR have overturned it? Because there was contact.
The dive doesn't matter.

The correct response to this, of course, is depends who the team is. We wanna believe there's true objectivity, but we know there isn't.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

In the heat of the moment every ref thinks hes 100% sure.

Human nature right? The smart thing to do is let it go upstairs and use the assistance available. But we humans always wanna be right.