Auston Matthews charged with disorderly conduct

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

The only thing that should be reconsidered is how we conduct ourselves as a society.

But the person assigning night shifts to security guards, or hiring police officers, has no control over how the rest of society conducts itself. They have to deal with how society is, not how it should be.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I think there is a huge gap between hiring security guards and hiring police officers.
The former doesn't receive anywhere near the training/development/etc on how to handle dangerous or potential dangerous situations.
Even the recent example of the shooting at the mall in Calgary showed how security guards can't be expected to react without fear.

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by ST20

You say nobody is throwing around sexual assault and then in the next paragraph you talk about rape. To my knowledge and I could be wrong she didn't talk about rape in her report.

I respect your thought process but I'll respectfully disagree with your assessment of the severity of this situation. I'll leave at this as this thread has gotten out of hand for my liking. Feel free to assume that I'm a jackass.

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You're jumping a couple steps too far ahead. "Rape" <- "Why are women afraid of men?" <- "She was afraid" <- "What's the big deal?" <- "That's not acceptable" <- "Boys will be boys".

Try not to throw out all the context to glossed over.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by sempuki

Being a security guard is not as safe as a crossing guard, but it's hardly open invitation for harassment. She reported the crime, and that's the same as what any man would do.

I hope you're not attributing that to me, as I've already stated that what Matthews and his friends did was idiotic and obnoxious.

But I see this is turning into one of those threads where people attribute arguments to other posters that they haven't made, rather than address their actual words, so I'll bow out.

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

But the person assigning night shifts to security guards, or hiring police officers, has no control over how the rest of society conducts itself. They have to deal with how society is, not how it should be.

And as members of society we should look to ourselves.

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I hope you're not attributing that to me, as I've already stated that what Matthews and his friends did was idiotic and obnoxious.

But I see this is turning into one of those threads where people attribute arguments to other posters that they haven't made, rather than address their actual words, so I'll bow out.

Then to answer your question literally, the person assigned the night shift because that's their shift. The blame for being afraid of being harassed at night belongs on the harasser, not the victim or the person who schedules the shifts.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I don't have a hard time recognizing that most women are more fearful than most men at night alone. But if this is really a universal fear that affects all women, shouldn't we reconsider allowing women to take jobs such as police officers and front-line military personnel?

Why would someone in charge of assigning security guards for night shifts ever hire a woman, and expose her to more anxiety and danger than her male counterparts?

Originally Posted by ST20

You say nobody is throwing around sexual assault and then in the next paragraph you talk about rape. To my knowledge and I could be wrong she didn't talk about rape in her report.

I respect your thought process but I'll respectfully disagree with your assessment of the severity of this situation. I'll leave at this as this thread has gotten out of hand for my liking. Feel free to assume that I'm a jackass.

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Read that paragraph again - I'm quite clear that the mens' intent was to harass her (I didn't even say sexually harass). I'm no expert on how people process 'panic mode', but I don't think it would be unreasonable for a solitary woman to genuinely fear for her safety when startled by men acting suspiciously in the middle of the night...of course I don't know whether the exact thought "I'm about to be raped and murdered" went through her mind, but in processing the event afterwards, I don't think it would be an unreasonable label for her feelings.

The point is, everyone minimizing this down to 'shenanigans' is doing this by imagining Matthews' experience, not hers.

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

But it seems clear to me that, either by innate disposition or through training, some women aren't fearful of being confronted by men at night. Or at least any more fearful than most men are. A job that selects candidates on the basis of being able to keep a cool and confident head when confronted by potentially malicious strangers at night will likely have more men than women, but it won't be strictly male.

As a security guard (or even a police officer for that matter), there's no reasonable expectation that you yourself will be the target of a 'surprise attack' when you are minding your own business, at least no more so than a cashier or bank teller. Responding to a disturbance is a very different thing than being the target of one. Of course, if you're a guard at Nakatomi Plaza or Dr. Evil's lair, it might be a different story.

Maybe she'd be better off picking boxes in an Amazon warehouse...then again, she'd be more likely to have to work over and around a dead body there, which could also be triggering to her PTSD...or maybe her choice of jobs or shift assignment isn't actually the problem here.

Any everyone saying the nightwatch guard at a luxury condo complex is expected to be at a cat-like state of readiness for the entirety of their 8 hour shift should give their head a shake, get off CPuck, and get back to their own job. This would've sounded better if I posted it before 5pm, but then again, not everyone in this world can work from 9-5...

[Matt Reeeeead]

I just wished he made a meaningful apology.

I can forgive the initial incident. Although he obviously did not think his actions through, nor understand how it feel being in the woman’s shoes, his intentions didn’t appear to be malicious. I get that we can all make mistakes, and dumb stuff does happen. He is lucky the lady didn’t have a gun.

His actions afterwards bother me the most. Like own it, and apologize. Don’t be an entitled little kid running away from issues you created on your own volition. He lied about it like a scared child, had his father lie, and still didn’t acknowledge it when faced with evidence. He then hid it from his team, when they would have been forgiving with some honesty. It also seems like the building has had issues with him before. Likely this is one incident in a predictable pattern of entitled bro behaviour.

I saw his interview and it looked like a guy that doesn’t get it, and not attempting to learn from it and have real empathy for the victim here. You made a mistake. Own it, and the world will move on... everyone gets his intent wasn’t awful... that sets the stage for forgiveness when you acknowledge it from the others perspective.

Btw, that Moneyhands guy is just as clueless. Really embarrassing posts in this thread.


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[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Maybe she'd be better off picking boxes in an Amazon warehouse...then again, she'd be more likely to have to work over and around a dead body there, which could also be triggering to her PTSD...or maybe her choice of jobs or shift assignment isn't actually the problem here.

I chuckled, well done. Dark, but funny.

[GioforPM]

Officially tired of “EK65”.

Wrong thread, but I stand by it.

[GioforPM]

Dp

[topfiverecords]

Careful with the DP comment. I don’t think Matthews and his good time buddies were considering anything of the sort.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Matt Reeeeead

I just wished he made a meaningful apology.

I can forgive the initial incident. Although he obviously did not think his actions through, nor understand how it feel being in the woman’s shoes, his intentions didn’t appear to be malicious. I get that we can all make mistakes, and dumb stuff does happen. He is lucky the lady didn’t have a gun.

An honest question, if the lady did have a gun and she shot him, would she have gotten into trouble? Would she be charged?

[djsFlames]

Can't help but think natural selection wouldn't be kind to Auston if this were a different time.

Even as a young man, you have to be pretty dull to think pulling that stunt in Murca would be a fun and harmless idea.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

An honest question, if the lady did have a gun and she shot him, would she have gotten into trouble? Would she be charged?

For shooting a rich guy? Yeah probably.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

An honest question, if the lady did have a gun and she shot him, would she have gotten into trouble? Would she be charged?

This would have been a contentious one for sure. But forgetting the legal perspective... knowing how many people in the US believe in their right to carry a gun and use it for self defense, stuff like what Matthews did is a really bad idea.

I mean, it would be a bad idea in Canada too, but he likely has less to lose pulling it here.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Your so out of touch.

it's you who are living in the past...

[manwiches]

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Didn't see another thread regarding the Leafs and the captaincy.

The more I watch Matthews give interviews, his name check during the pre season, and his underpants gig, he really just comes across as an arrogant ######. This interview is just so precocious and arrogant. In my mind, you don't give him captain, because he's already severely entitled. Tavares would be a much better captain, and I would think have the respect of all his teammates.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah Matthews does seem like the stereotypical douchy hockey player that I'm sure all of us grew up with at some point.

Arrogant and entitled.

There was another video today where they are doing a drill to get shots through a shot blocking dummy and the dummy blocks his shot and he pushes it over. He appeared to maybe be joking but he still didn't help the staff pick it up or reset the dummy.

Just bugged me for whatever reason. Not captain material at all when you have a guy like Tavares or Reilly there IMO.

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah Matthews does seem like the stereotypical douchy hockey player that I'm sure all of us grew up with at some point.

Arrogant and entitled.

This. I've seen a handful of interviews with him and he almost always comes across as a giant jerk. Completely bored and ungracious, annoyed that he's there having to answer questions. Sometimes he's even stand-offish.

When I think of elite captains in the league, I think of guys like Iginla, Sakic, Yzerman, Toews, etc. Matthews is no where near the class level of those guys and seems to be the total opposite. I'd be embarrassed if someone like that were the captain of my team.