[News] October 1 -- Flames final roster moves

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by CN10

Of course a 21 year old defender playing his first batch of NHL games will be sheltered by any competent coaching staff.

I also did not say anywhere in that post that I felt he was being held back. I just stated that I felt he played well on the bottom pair compared to my expectations of a green injury fill-in. I preferred his performance despite having to be sheltered much more than some of the Bartkowski & Jokipakka's the Flames have played there in previous years.

This season I like that he was forced to compete for a bottom pairing role with a veteran (Stone, MacDonald) and appears to at least have won a time share of the spot for the time being. In my post I simply indicated that I expect he will continue to grow and eventually pass Stone as the preferred guy on the bottom pair, mostly due to his superior skating and puck moving, on a team that has indicated throughout preseason that they intend to play fast.

Yeah sorry ... wasn't trying to put words in your mouth.

Just trying to put some perspective on where the player is.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I thought most everyone was expecting the Flames to shed salary this summer. Being unable to work out a mutually agreeable long term deal with Tkachuk is why they are under the cap at the start of the season.

That's certainly the less rosy way to look at it.

But then maybe that was always the plan. The Frolik and Brodie trades that fell through were both cap for cap and not shedding deals at all.

I would assume he would have liked more years, but obviously not to the point where he was willing to move assets that can help this year.

[Rando]

Hanifin - Anderson have the potential to be a top pair in the league for the next decade.

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

I'm glad Kylington made the team. He still has his worts but he has outgrown the AHL.

[mrdonkey]

I guess I can live with basically bringing back the same roster. Some marginal improvements were made via addition by subtraction, I just don’t know if that’s enough to wash the bitter taste out of my mouth after how last season ended.

One thing’s for sure, if the Flames don’t make some noise in the postseason this year, some big changes will be called for.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I guess I can live with basically bringing back the same roster. Some marginal improvements were made via addition by subtraction, I just don’t know if that’s enough to wash the bitter taste out of my mouth after how last season ended.

One thing’s for sure, if the Flames don’t make some noise in the postseason this year, some big changes will be called for.

I think Treliving and the core group know that. It will be an interesting season for sure!

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's certainly the less rosy way to look at it.

But then maybe that was always the plan. The Frolik and Brodie trades that fell through were both cap for cap and not shedding deals at all.

I would assume he would have liked more years, but obviously not to the point where he was willing to move assets that can help this year.

Yeah based on the interviews after the signing it seemed it was more like the Flames trying to convince Tkachuk that short term was the better option than the other way around.

[CN10]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I guess I can live with basically bringing back the same roster. Some marginal improvements were made via addition by subtraction, I just don’t know if that’s enough to wash the bitter taste out of my mouth after how last season ended.

One thing’s for sure, if the Flames don’t make some noise in the postseason this year, some big changes will be called for.

I simply think the momentum turned on them in the playoffs and they couldn't fix it. The schedule makers were kind enough to afford the Flames the opportunity to extract some revenge in the opening game at least.

Over a large sample size (i.e. the 82 game regular season) the Flames showed the assembled guys can be among the best in the business so I think that's why Treliving didn't make a big splash. We jettisoned our worst two players from last year to our rival (Neal was a dumpster fire, Smith was costing the team points until about mid season) and brought in some guys motivated to wash the Oiler stink off themselves. It's looking to be another exciting season, but this year they'll be some expectations to get through at least a round or two in the second season. I wholly agree that if this group fizzles out in the same manner this year as they did last, then is when a shake up will come.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

After all the off-season squabbling the Flames start the season with a 22 man roster and $154,958 in cap space. All thanks to that little bit of room the Oilers made by retaining Lucic's cap hit.

Also a special shout out to Michael Stone for giving up almost $500K of his salary and deferring another $1.167M of it.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I guess I can live with basically bringing back the same roster. Some marginal improvements were made via addition by subtraction, I just don’t know if that’s enough to wash the bitter taste out of my mouth after how last season ended.

One thing’s for sure, if the Flames don’t make some noise in the postseason this year, some big changes will be called for.

I've at least been encouraged to hear chatter about the mental side of why they lost. Not playing their game. Not taking it to them. Being afraid to make mistakes, or afraid to lose instead of playing to win.

If I heard one more reference to how they could have won the two games that went to overtime I was going to scream.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I thought most everyone was expecting the Flames to shed salary this summer. Being unable to work out a mutually agreeable long term deal with Tkachuk is why they are under the cap at the start of the season.

Which is precisely why many people were not panicked about pulling the trigger on a cap-dump deal before the Tkachuk contract was settled. If we had traded Frolik or Brodie in a cap dump we would be a worse team today for little-to-no benefit at all.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I guess I can live with basically bringing back the same roster. Some marginal improvements were made via addition by subtraction, I just don’t know if that’s enough to wash the bitter taste out of my mouth after how last season ended.

One thing’s for sure, if the Flames don’t make some noise in the postseason this year, some big changes will be called for.

Treliving had a trade worked out that had a good chance of making the Flames better but it was vetoed by Nazem Kadri. Can't fault our GM for a player using his NTC. Trades are hard to make in this day and age, and we don't want change just for the sake of change.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Good for Kylington. I thought he'd be sent down. Now's his opportunity to impress while Valimaki is out.

The rest of the roster is pretty much what I was expecting.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by sempuki

Now all the people who want to see Kylington, you're going to get a talented guy who makes a lot of mistakes...

We'll be used to it. We've all watched TJ Brodie for the last 3 seasons.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I guess I can live with basically bringing back the same roster. Some marginal improvements were made via addition by subtraction, I just don’t know if that’s enough to wash the bitter taste out of my mouth after how last season ended.

One thing’s for sure, if the Flames don’t make some noise in the postseason this year, some big changes will be called for.

Considering that Treliving did try to trade for Kadri, I think there's a good chance he still thinks some changes need to be made, and might pursue them during the season.

That said, with almost every team being so tight against the cap, making any trades is going to be possibly harder than it has ever been. It would not surprise me if we hit some new low in the number of trades made.

Besides, I think you have to start weighing the benefits of keeping the gang together for the sake of chemistry. It's a pretty rare situation for a team to have an emotional rollercoaster like the Flames had last season, and then come back next season with almost exactly the same group. It might not have been the plan, but since we're here, maybe we should roll with it. That could turn into an intangible that might not be worth risking, at least not before you give the gang their second chance.

Or not. Who knows.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Incogneto

We'll be used to it. We've all watched TJ Brodie for the last 3 seasons.

Great! We can only hope he turns into another TJ Brodie.

Is that the TJ Brodie that was 4th best in the league at breakouts last season?

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...best-breaking/

Or the TJ Brodie that was named as half of the leagues top pairing last year?

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1811601

Or were you talking about the TJ Brodie that ranks 5th among all NHL dmen in takeaways over the last 3 seasons? Trailing only Slavin, Burns, Karlsson, & Matheson.

Hmm that would go against your narrative of TJ Brodie being terrible though right.

[cowtown75]

I thought MacDonald for sure would of been offered a two way at least for the farm team and depth (maybe he was but turned it down ), but the last game was very underwhelming so much so it brutal

[Reggie Dunlop]

Realistic defence depth on the farm presently:

Davidson
Valiev
Yelesin

[Fire]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

I thought MacDonald for sure would of been offered a two way at least for the farm team and depth (maybe he was but turned it down ), but the last game was very underwhelming so much so it brutal

He might have been offered a two-way deal but didn't want anything but a one-way.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Great! We can only hope he turns into another TJ Brodie.

Is that the TJ Brodie that was 4th best in the league at breakouts last season?

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...best-breaking/

Or the TJ Brodie that was named as half of the leagues top pairing last year?

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1811601

Or were you talking about the TJ Brodie that ranks 5th among all NHL dmen in takeaways over the last 3 seasons? Trailing only Slavin, Burns, Karlsson, & Matheson.

Hmm that would go against your narrative of TJ Brodie being terrible though right.

I am guessing he was thinking of the Brodie that coughed up brutal giveaways that led directly to goals. Both narratives can be true at the same time.