Waiver wire Sept 30. Quine on waivers [UPDATE] Quine Clear; WPG, ARZ add

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CN10

Djoos, Sprong and Forsling all cleared?! I guess teams were being nice to each other regarding training camp waivers. I would have thought someone would have taken these guys.

The cap has definitely had an impact on the waiver wire. I think most teams are just concerned about being compliant today.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I could be wrong, but I believe it's the team's responsibility to manage their own cap and not the NHL's. As long as the team is following the rules and regulations, the NHL has to approve it.

Yes, but if a team attempts to sign a contract that puts them over the cap, the league will reject the contract. I can't find anything about waiver claims, but I would assume the same rule applies: If the Oilers tried to claim them, the league would reject the claims as they are over the cap. In the case of multiple claims, logic suggests to me that the league would look at them in order. First claim received gets priority. If that puts them over, second claim is rejected. But that is all assumption, and does require logic on the part of an organization that rarely exercises it.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The cap has definitely had an impact on the waiver wire. I think most teams are just concerned about being compliant today.

Had an impact in what way?

Seems like pretty normal movement to me.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Icon

I'm kind of surprised DeSmith wasn't grabbed. Gotta think there's a few teams where he'd be an upgrade to their #2 at least.

No doubt. Problem is if your #2 is already under contract I guess. Take the Flames for example. Even if you believed he was better than Talbot, there's no room to pick him up.

Interesting stats:

DeSmith's NHL numbers, 28 years old
50 NHL games, 2.66 GAA, .919 SV%,


Rittich's NHL numbers, 27 years old
67 games, 2.70 GAA, .909 SV%

Different teams, apples to oranges etc. and i can't say I have watched him play many games at all start to finish. But it seems he is good enough to play.

[Wood]

If Sprong and Baertschi aren't good enough to make the Ducks and Canucks, why would other teams want them?

Waiver wire is the same before every season, it's not surprising. A few guys get claimed but usually never the "shocking" guys. There's usually a good reason, like they're just not good enough

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Wood

If Sprong and Baertschi aren't good enough to make the Ducks and Canucks, why would other teams want them?

Waiver wire is the same before every season, it's not surprising. A few guys get claimed but usually never the "shocking" guys. There's usually a good reason, like they're just not good enough

Players get claimed all the time, sometimes by better teams.

In some cases these days, players are put on waivers in the hope someone claims them as a cap savings.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Itse

Had an impact in what way?

Seems like pretty normal movement to me.

In that there was an unusually high number of quality players available that in other years likely would not have made it through.


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[Itse]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

In that there was an unusually high number of quality players available that in other years likely would not have made it through.

...maybe? But I don't see it. The number/quality of bubble player has been going up steadily, I think it's mostly just that. The guys just outside the league are better than they used to be.

But every year there's been plenty of guys on the waivers that someone thinks will never go through, and they basically always do.

It's the time of year when teams shed players, not the time to add.

[Resolute 14]

Are the players of "unusually high quality", or are people simply overvaluing former high draft pick players that are largely busts?

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Are the players of "unusually high quality", or are people simply overvaluing former high draft pick players that are largely busts?

Or in the case of Nic Patan & Curtis Lazar, ex-prominent WJC alumni.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

I think this summer was fairly unique with the cap not going up as much as expected.

Guys are getting squeezed out with medium to small contracts because of it that would find nhl homes in other seasons where cap troubles weren’t as pressing.

Yes, some of these are promising young players trending towards bust status for various reasons. But there are nhl caliber players with medium sized contracts that have literally been squeezed out of the league because of the cap crunch this summer.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Are the players of "unusually high quality", or are people simply overvaluing former high draft pick players that are largely busts?

Sprong is the only one that's surprising to me. Sven has too big of a contract, and Ho Sang really hasn't been amazing at the AHL level.

But Sprong was good in the AHL and looks like a goal scorer at the NHL level.

14 goals in 47 games.

Only 22 years old, and over a PPG in his only season in the AHL.

I feel like that's a guy that any team should have taken a flyer on if they had the space.

[Flash Walken]

Wasn't Aberg basically the only player claimed last year, and then I think he was waived again and re-claimed by his initial team?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Wasn't Aberg basically the only player claimed last year, and then I think he was waived again and re-claimed by his initial team?

No, he wasn't.

7 players were claimed off waivers in the preseason last year.

1. Danick Martel was claimed from the Flyers by Tampa.
2. Jean-Sébastien Dea was claimed from the Penguins by New Jersey (he was later reclaimed by the Pens).
3. Pontus Åberg was claimed from the Oilers by Anaheim (he was put back on waivers a week later and went unclaimed).
4. Remi Elie was claimed from the Stars by Buffalo (he was later placed on waivers again and went unclaimed).
5. Dmitrij Jaskin was claimed from the Blues by Washington.
6. Curtis McElhinney was claimed from the Leafs by Carolina.
7. Calvin Pickard was claimed from the Leafs by Philly (he was later waived again and claimed by Arizona).

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by getbak

No, he wasn't.

7 players were claimed off waivers in the preseason last year.

1. Danick Martel was claimed from the Flyers by Tampa.
2. Jean-Sébastien Dea was claimed from the Penguins by New Jersey (he was later reclaimed by the Pens).
3. Pontus Åberg was claimed from the Oilers by Anaheim (he was put back on waivers a week later and went unclaimed).
4. Remi Elie was claimed from the Stars by Buffalo (he was later placed on waivers again and went unclaimed).
5. Dmitrij Jaskin was claimed from the Blues by Washington.
6. Curtis McElhinney was claimed from the Leafs by Carolina.
7. Calvin Pickard was claimed from the Leafs by Philly (he was later waived again and claimed by Arizona).

And compared to this year? I haven't really kept up with non flames waiver situation, but I saw you thank a post that the lack of movement this year was pretty normal.

[Geeoff]

Looks like McBackup was the only waiver pick up that helped his team at all

[Monahammer]

I dunno, didn't we lose Byron to these preseason waivers and he went on to carve out a pretty good niche. To say that they are useless is to ignore some great pickups, they are just extra lottery tickets (but more like the $2 scratchers than a 6/49)

I would have liked Sprong, but obviously I trust the process! Treliving knows what he's doing, and clearly Sprong was not the right way to go.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I dunno, didn't we lose Byron to these preseason waivers and he went on to carve out a pretty good niche. To say that they are useless is to ignore some great pickups, they are just extra lottery tickets (but more like the $2 scratchers than a 6/49)

I would have liked Sprong, but obviously I trust the process! Treliving knows what he's doing, and clearly Sprong was not the right way to go.

Byron actually went through waivers and then got traded IIRC.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Byron actually went through waivers and then got traded IIRC.

No, he was claimed.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Casey DeSmith would've been an intriguing pick-up (via trade?) pre-Talbot signing. The Flames opted for the more veteran hand instead and it's understandable.