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dino7c · 09-28-2019, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Tkachuk deal looks like #### compared to both Laine and Connor

Laine is going to make more money over the next three years than Tkachuck who had 17 more points than him. Laine was also -24 on a good team

I wouldn't swap contracts

Deegee · 09-28-2019, 11:15 PM

Tkachuck might never want to sign a long term contract thinking he can get more from larger cap space down the line.

A player of his caliber for 7 Million AAV when people thought it would be much higher?

Yeah, his deal is hardly horrible.

Calgary4LIfe · 09-28-2019, 11:16 PM

That's a steal. Conner stirs the drink on his line. Love his game. I was hoping a team would offer-sheet him out of Winnipeg. FU Jets.

Textcritic · 09-28-2019, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think Marner and Aho probably have worse deals.
But other than those two, the Tkachuk deal is probably the worst of the summer. It's nothing crazy though, so I'm not willing to get worked up over it.

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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Why on Earth do you think Aho's deal is bad?!

The only bad deal signed this summer was Marner's. I thought every other team did quite well with their RFAs.

Strange Brew · 09-28-2019, 11:42 PM

The Aho deal is good for Carolina IMO. The extra years on his deal were inexpensive relatively speaking.

The Tkachuk deal isn’t really good compared to all the others, but hard to call it a bad deal if it’s only high by maybe $500K a year.

Marner is the exception and with hindsight we can see that it didn’t really set the market.

dino7c · 09-28-2019, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The Aho deal is good for Carolina IMO. The extra years on his deal were inexpensive relatively speaking.

The Tkachuk deal isn’t really good compared to all the others, but hard to call it a bad deal if it’s only high by maybe $500K a year.

Marner is the exception and with hindsight we can see that it didn’t really set the market.

How is Laine's deal better? Its slightly less but its only 2 years and Tkachuk was a better player last season.

Over the next three seasons very likely Laine makes more money

timbit · 09-29-2019, 12:24 AM

After 3 years, is it too much too ask that people learn how to spell TKACHUK?

Enoch Root · 09-29-2019, 11:46 AM

I don't see how Aho's deal can be considered good while Tkachuk's is expensive.

The Flames have 2 years at $10.635M in their back pocket before Tkachuk costs as much as Aho. And even at that, we got Tkachuk for 3 of those years at a much better cap hit - when we really need it.

Yes, Aho is a C. And arguably a little better than Tkachuk (which is very debatable). But Tkachuk is $1.5M cheaper for each of the next 3 years. That is a huge advantage for the Flames.

Back to Connor's deal - great for the Jets because they got term.

Strange Brew · 09-29-2019, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

How is Laine's deal better? Its slightly less but its only 2 years and Tkachuk was a better player last season.

Over the next three seasons very likely Laine makes more money

Did you mean to respond to someone else? Where did I say anything about Laine's deal?

The Cobra · 09-29-2019, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Nelson

Wow. I'm just green with jealousy. I sure wish we could've done 7 years * 8M with Tkachuk. That seems to be about the comparable.

Tkachuk got $7M over 3 years. 4 additional years would have cost way more than an extra $1M.

The Cobra · 09-29-2019, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think Marner and Aho probably have worse deals.
But other than those two, the Tkachuk deal is probably the worst of the summer. It's nothing crazy though, so I'm not willing to get worked up over it.

I'd rather that Tkachuk signed for 5 years with us at $8.5M than his current deal.

Strange Brew · 09-29-2019, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't see how Aho's deal can be considered good while Tkachuk's is expensive.

The Flames have 2 years at $10.635M in their back pocket before Tkachuk costs as much as Aho. And even at that, we got Tkachuk for 3 of those years at a much better cap hit - when we really need it.

Yes, Aho is a C. And arguably a little better than Tkachuk (which is very debatable). But Tkachuk is $1.5M cheaper for each of the next 3 years. That is a huge advantage for the Flames.

Back to Connor's deal - great for the Jets because they got term.

How did you arrive at $10.6 million? What am I missing? Or are you talking about signing bonuses? I guess that is good for the owners for sure.

There is no time value to cap space unfortunately.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 09-29-2019, 11:58 AM

I suspect we'd be up near Rantanen territory on a 7 year from Tkachuk, based on how he was valued in his 3 year deal... Which is clearly too much money.

Azure · 09-29-2019, 12:06 PM

I'm sure everyone in Toronto is feeling pretty happy right now with these great RFA deals and knowing their team is screwed in the future.

Textcritic · 09-29-2019, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

How did you arrive at $10.6 million? What am I missing? Or are you talking about signing bonuses?...

Aho will be paid $30,270,000 in the next three years.

Enoch Root · 09-29-2019, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

How did you arrive at $10.6 million? What am I missing? Or are you talking about signing bonuses? I guess that is good for the owners for sure.

There is no time value to cap space unfortunately.

That is what it would take to equate Tkachuk with Aho after 5 years.

Not sure what you are referring to with 'no time value to cap space', but it is definitely beneficial that the Flames are saving space now. Can deal with 4 years from now 4 years from now.

Strange Brew · 09-29-2019, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That is what it would take to equate Tkachuk with Aho after 5 years.

Not sure what you are referring to with 'no time value to cap space', but it is definitely beneficial that the Flames are saving space now. Can deal with 4 years from now 4 years from now.

You can’t bank cap space, it doesn’t carry over or earn interest. You’re right, it is beneficial to save cap space now. It is also beneficial to save cap space later.

Enoch Root · 09-29-2019, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

You can’t bank cap space, it doesn’t carry over or earn interest. You’re right, it is beneficial to save cap space now. It is also beneficial to save cap space later.

What are you getting at? I never said they are banking cap space, I said the cap space is lower NOW, when they need it to be.

Strange Brew · 09-29-2019, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What are you getting at? I never said they are banking cap space, I said the cap space is lower NOW, when they need it to be.

I’m pretty sure the Flames will want cap space in the future too. That is why teams sign young talent to long term deals.

Enoch Root · 09-29-2019, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I’m pretty sure the Flames will want cap space in the future too. That is why teams sign young talent to long term deals.

Well yeah. But Aho is only 2 years longer, and the Flames have a fair bit of room to play with before Tkachuk becomes more expensive. Plus, the cap will continue to go up, giving them even more real room. Plus, they are in their current window now, and this year was the tight one, so the lower hit now is just what they needed.

Considering all those things, I think it is difficult to argue that Aho's deal is a good one and TKachuk's isn't.