[News] Gillies on waivers. Upd: clears and assigned to Stockton

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by the2bears

I was under the assumption he didn't need to stay in the NHL, but that he'd have to go through waivers again if sent down. Effectively keeping him in the NHL, due to circumstances and teams not wanting to waist the time/money, but not required.

Maybe the rules have changed, though.

I think you are right. The team either has to keep him on the NHL roster or waive him again to send him to the AHL.

[devo22]

they only have to waive him again after 30 days (or 10 games I think, whatever comes first). Until then, they can send him up or down whenever and how often they like.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Has he been assigned to Stockton, or is he still in Calgary?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by devo22

they only have to waive him again after 30 days (or 10 games I think, whatever comes first). Until then, they can send him up or down whenever and how often they like.

That is true for the Flames now that he has cleared.

If he had been claimed by another team, that would mean he didn't clear waivers. If he was claimed and the claiming team later wanted to send him to the AHL, they would need to put him on waivers before they could do so. In that situation, if the Flames were the only team to put in a claim, it would be as if he had cleared waivers the first time and the Flames could send him directly to the AHL.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by getbak

That is true for the Flames now that he has cleared.

If he had been claimed by another team, that would mean he didn't clear waivers. If he was claimed and the claiming team later wanted to send him to the AHL, they would need to put him on waivers before they could do so. In that situation, if the Flames were the only team to put in a claim, it would be as if he had cleared waivers the first time and the Flames could send him directly to the AHL.

So if they trade him now, does he get added to his new team's NHL or AHL roster?

[sureLoss]

Lots of confusion on waivers and how they work.


If Team B claims a player off waivers from Team A then Team B has to keep the player on the NHL roster or expose him to waivers again. If the player then clears subsequent waivers, Team B is free to send the player up or down as long as the player does not spend 30 days on the NHL roster or play 10 NHL games in which case waivers will be required again.

If Team A claims back a player on waivers in the same season it lost the player to waivers and they were the only team to put in the claim, they can immediately assign the player to the minors without requiring more waivers and assuming the player hasn't been on the NHL roster for 30 days or played 10 NHL games.




For example consider Mangiapane. If the Flames waive him and say the Leafs claim him but want him in the AHL. They would have to waive him again. The Flames could (assuming they are the only team to put a claim in) grab him back and put him in the AHL without any waivers. This is why in general you need to keep the player up in the NHL when you claim them off waivers, otherwise it is a fruitless effort.


In Gillies case, teams probably don't have to worry about the Flames claiming Gillies back. The logjam at the position and one way salary probably makes it very unlikely the Flames put in a claim if he were on waivers again.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Buff

So if they trade him now, does he get added to his new team's NHL or AHL roster?

Now that he has cleared waivers he can be assigned to the NHL or AHL freely until he has been on the NHL roster for 30 days or played 10 NHL games (cumulative since he cleared waivers)

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Buff

So if they trade him now, does he get added to his new team's NHL or AHL roster?

Whatever the other team wants.

That would be the exact same scenario as happened with Kulak last year. The Flames put him on waivers on September 30. He cleared on October 1 and was traded to Montreal later that day before the Flames had assigned him to Stockton. Once the trade was completed, Montreal assigned him to their AHL affiliate.

[sureLoss]

In related goalie news, Sharks just traded Bibeau to Colorado after he cleared waivers a few days ago.

Got back former 2015 2nd round pick Nicolas Meloche

[getbak]

With Gillies being immediately assigned to Stockton, that's a pretty good indication that there isn't a Kulak-style clear and trade deal coming for Gillies. That really shouldn't surprise anyone.

There probably won't be a solution to the minors goalie logjam for at least another week while every team figures out where they stand.

[jlh2640]

So he gets his full salary and will play in Stockton until there is injury or terrible performance

[getbak]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

So he gets his full salary and will play in Stockton until there is injury or terrible performance

Yup, and since the AHL isn't subject to escrow, he'll actually get more money in the AHL than he would in the NHL.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by getbak

Yup, and since the AHL isn't subject to escrow, he'll actually get more money in the AHL than he would in the NHL.

Well that is a nice reward for him, hopefully he gets inspired as this is his last chance. Best goalie will play in Stockton

[dustygoon]

I don't get this. Why assign him to stockton at all? The team should move on from him. Don't add a third wheel to the Zag/Parsons team.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I don't get this. Why assign him to stockton at all? The team should move on from him. Don't add a third wheel to the Zag/Parsons team.

He's under contract and can't be sent to the ECHL (without his permission).

They don't really have any other choice unless/until they can find another AHL team who needs a goalie. If that's going to happen, it won't likely be until next week once the other AHL teams know where they stand with their current goalies.

[redmile04]

Does the 750k count against the cap? Assuming no but then why wouldnt we have sent brouwer, bouma, raymond etc to minors if sending them down doesn't count? Rather then them being bought out.

Apologies if this is a stupid question ( i am fairly sure it is lol)

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I don't get this. Why assign him to stockton at all? The team should move on from him. Don't add a third wheel to the Zag/Parsons team.

Goalies are still voodoo. If Gillies starts his AHL season with a few strong games he might never look back at a weak preseason.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by redmile04

Does the 750k count against the cap? Assuming no but then why wouldnt we have sent brouwer, bouma, raymond etc to minors if sending them down doesn't count? Rather then them being bought out.

Apologies if this is a stupid question ( i am fairly sure it is lol)

No. This contract will not count against the cap. The Flames did actually assign Raymond to the AHL in order to bury some of his cap hit, but could not bury all of it. The reason players like Bouma and Brouwer were not simply buried is that the Flames save more money on a buyout than they do by attempting to bury these larger contracts. Teams can only bury about $1.0 m of an individual deal.

[Superfraggle]

Cap hit relief when you send a 1-way to the AHL:

Originally Posted by CapFriendly

What is a Buried Contract?
Teams do not receive full cap relief when a player on a one-way NHL contract is reassigned to the American Hockey League, or is loaned to a team in another professional league.
The players salary cap hit, minus the sum of the minimum NHL salary for the respective season and $375,000, still counts towards the team’s salary cap total.
The cap hit relief is therefore equal to the minimum salary of the respective season + $375,000:
2014-15: $550,000 + $375,000 = $925,000
2015-16: $575,000 + $375,000 = $950,000
2016-17: $575,000 + $375,000 = $950,000
2017-18: $650,000 + $375,000 = $1,025,000
2018-19: $650,000 + $375,000 = $1,025,000
2019-20: $700,000 + $375,000 = $1,075,000
2020-21: $700,000 + $375,000 = $1,075,000
2021-22: $750,000 + $375,000 = $1,125,000

https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#buried

[I_H8_Crawford]

Gilles for Poolparty

Has to happen now for it to make sense!