Auston Matthews charged with disorderly conduct

[locsofblu]

####ing millenials

[sempuki]

The divergence in this thread is people empathizing with either the player or the woman, and fitting the narrative to suit that choice. I suggest empathizing with both and seeing who you feel is more deserving after you take all the facts into context.

It may help to spend the same amount of time talking to the women in your life as the players.

[Matata]

This women was spooked for all of 10 seconds before realizing it was a famous millionaire harassing her, at which point she realized that if she cried foul hard enough that she could get a big enough payout that she could quit her godawful night time security job and significantly improve her quality of life.

Matthews is going to eat #### for this for a long, long time: legal battles, payouts, national embarrassment, the endless jeering of opposing teams fans. I'm not worried for a second that Matthews is getting off scot-free. I'll even go far enough to say the punishment he receives will far out strip the punishment he deserves for his shenanigans.

How's that for empathy?

[ST20]

Originally Posted by sempuki

The divergence in this thread is people empathizing with either the player or the woman, and fitting the narrative to suit that choice. I suggest empathizing with both and seeing who you feel is more deserving after you take all the facts into context.

It may help to spend the same amount of time talking to the women in your life as the players.

I can't speak for everyone but I am certainly not empathizing with him. I think he did something that is idiotic and stupid. Everything from the video to the police report is one side of the story and even after seeing only one side; I can't agree with the moral outrage. From the police report and the video it looks like he tried to scare her (idiotic to do to someone in her position) and then did an unfunny Jim Carey impression. I think it is the moral outrage that most people are taking issue with...

The punishment fit the crime but the excessive comments on assault and blanket comments that imply ladies are fragile and need YOUR protection is a little much. Go speak to your wife, girlfriend or daughters. I guarantee you, they face things a million times things worst than this on one Saturday night out. And yes most of these incidents on a Saturday night out would fit the term assault. Would I be pissed that this specific incident happened to my wife? Yes. Do I think this specific incident, where no one was assaulted, requires a deeper analysis of society and a women's place in it? NO. There are far too many real women's issues to focus your time on than trying to make something more of a famous hockey player being an idiot.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Can someone shed some light in what kind of "paperwork" are the guards supposed to do while on duty and is it ok to do it in their cars? Aren't they supposed to do a paperwork after the shift? Frankly, I am not buying "paperwork" argument and tend to think that she was sleeping on the job. Otherwise she would not be "startlet" by a loud company of men.

I am also not sure if Matthews actually told her he thought it was funny. For all we know, he told her that she is sleeping on her job and he is not happy about it.

Wow. The attempts to make up stuff to make Matthew look like less of an ####### are embarassing.


There are many reasons why could be sitting in her car doing paperwork. Maybe she completed a patrol and she has to write it up. Maybe she had an incident and she has to write it up. Most security guards don't wait until the end of shift to write up reports - they write them up as the shift happens. Even if nothing happens, they generally have to at least write "nothing to report" or along those lines at a very set time.


There could also be lots of reasons why she's sitting in her car. Maybe she's supposed to sit in her car. Some security companies make employees use their own car.


You have absolutely no knowledge of whether or not this is actually her job and just ran with the assumption that she was sleeping.



And you know what? Even if she was sleeping, that's still no reason for them act like drunken idiots. The fact that Matthews' body tried to get her to not report it later pretty much shows where he believed the fault lied and it wasn't with the guard. Otherwise they could have just gone to the condo company and said she was sleeping, or you know, raised that at any point since then, especially when charges were made.


The justifications are really quite pathetic. This doesn't make him a sexual predator but it does make him a colossal jerk, and the fact that he tried to hide it from his team even after he knew charges were coming, pretty much proves that.

[Alpha_Q]

Originally Posted by Matata

This women was spooked for all of 10 seconds before realizing it was a famous millionaire harassing her, at which point she realized that if she cried foul hard enough that she could get a big enough payout that she could quit her godawful night time security job and significantly improve her quality of life.

Matthews is going to eat #### for this for a long, long time: legal battles, payouts, national embarrassment, the endless jeering of opposing teams fans. I'm not worried for a second that Matthews is getting off scot-free. I'll even go far enough to say the punishment he receives will far out strip the punishment he deserves for his shenanigans.

How's that for empathy?

If only there was something he could have done to prevent this from happening to him.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Ped

Wow. The attempts to make up stuff to make Matthew look like less of an ####### are embarassing.


There are many reasons why could be sitting in her car doing paperwork. Maybe she completed a patrol and she has to write it up. Maybe she had an incident and she has to write it up. Most security guards don't wait until the end of shift to write up reports - they write them up as the shift happens. Even if nothing happens, they generally have to at least write "nothing to report" or along those lines at a very set time.


There could also be lots of reasons why she's sitting in her car. Maybe she's supposed to sit in her car. Some security companies make employees use their own car.


You have absolutely no knowledge of whether or not this is actually her job and just ran with the assumption that she was sleeping.



And you know what? Even if she was sleeping, that's still no reason for them act like drunken idiots. The fact that Matthews' body tried to get her to not report it later pretty much shows where he believed the fault lied and it wasn't with the guard. Otherwise they could have just gone to the condo company and said she was sleeping, or you know, raised that at any point since then, especially when charges were made.


The justifications are really quite pathetic. This doesn't make him a sexual predator but it does make him a colossal jerk, and the fact that he tried to hide it from his team even after he knew charges were coming, pretty much proves that.

I have no reason to make things up and attempt to justify Matthews. In situation, where pretty much everything is coming from one side, I am trying to figure out what has actually happened. The woman has at least lied when she said that the incident was on camera, while it actually was not, and only an aftermath is somewhat on camera. Usually, when you don't know what exactly has happened and are unsure how much you can trust the source of the story, it is common to figure out what makes sense. You do it based on common sense and your own life experience. Admittedly, my life experience does not include being a female nightguard nor a hockey star, but I have nothing better to rely on anyway. I also have no problem admitting that my take on the situation may be proven entirely wrong if some further evidence comes out. Nonetheless, this is how I see it.

1. She was either sleeping or at least not paying attention to what she was supposed to guard. She admitted as much, by saying she was startled.

2. Matthews saw it and decided to shake the door handle to wake her up or at least to make her alert. It just makes WAY more sense than believing that Matthews decided to harass her for fun. So I tend to side with this narrative for now.

3. This has led to an argument between the two. Maybe some words were too blunt.

4. The woman has realized her opportunity to go after big payout and went to cry foul as hard, as she can. I tend to not believe, that she did not recognize Matthews from the start. The guard is supposed to recognize the inhabitants of the condo she is guarding, isn't she? As such, I don't believe that she was all that scared.

The reason why I see the incident this way is because behavior of the parties makes most sense to me. I fully admit I can be way off.

[Scroopy Noopers]

.... how exactly does she end up with “a big payout”?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Matata

This women was spooked for all of 10 seconds before realizing it was a famous millionaire harassing her, at which point she realized that if she cried foul hard enough that she could get a big enough payout that she could quit her godawful night time security job and significantly improve her quality of life.

Matthews is going to eat #### for this for a long, long time: legal battles, payouts, national embarrassment, the endless jeering of opposing teams fans. I'm not worried for a second that Matthews is getting off scot-free. I'll even go far enough to say the punishment he receives will far out strip the punishment he deserves for his shenanigans.

How's that for empathy?

It's pretty terrible considering how you made some pretty awful presumptions about her character and motivations in this incident, to which there's no evidence or indication that you are correct.

It's also terrible that you don't consider her fears to be valid and dismiss them out of hand.

You then go on to consider how horrible this is going to be for Matthews going forward, grossly exaggerating how people will treat him in public, basically treating him like the real victim here (of what, his own stupidity?).

Do I have that right?

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Pointman

1. She was either sleeping or at least not paying attention to what she was supposed to guard. She admitted as much, by saying she was startled.

2. Matthews saw it and decided to shake the door handle to wake her up or at least to make her alert. It just makes WAY more sense than believing that Matthews decided to harass her for fun. So I tend to side with this narrative for now.

3. This has led to an argument between the two. Maybe some words were too blunt.

4. The woman has realized her opportunity to go after big payout and went to cry foul as hard, as she can. I tend to not believe, that she did not recognize Matthews from the start. The guard is supposed to recognize the inhabitants of the condo she is guarding, isn't she? As such, I don't believe that she was all that scared.

The reason why I see the incident this way is because behavior of the parties makes most sense to me. I fully admit I can be way off.

You're way off because your biases are automatically making you look at the guard suspiciously.


1. We have no idea what she was doing. As I said, maybe she just completed a patrol and was documenting it. Maybe something else happened and she was documenting it. Maybe she was on a break. Maybe she's only supposed to watch a certain part of the condo. We don't know. But to assume she was sleeping or not doing her job is highly biased


2. If Matthews was sober, then yes, that would make more sense. But he wasn't. He was intoxicated, and according to his friend, he had been doing the same type of thing earlier in the evening. So to jump to assume that he was just nicely wake up the guard again, is highly biased.


3. An argument between a female and three drunk guys? Drunk guys are completely reasonable, aren't they?


4. What big payout? There's been no indication of any sort of civil suit yet, and if she was after a big payout, wouldn't it make more sense of her to brought this to light herself? Instead, it was a hockey fan who saw the arrest report, iirc. Even the bodycam footage wasn't hers, it was the police's. Maybe she did recognize him. But he's built, 22, and drunk, and apparently his or bis father's behaviour at the condo is a concern. But again, maybe she's new to the site. Maybe she only works nights and doesn't interact with tenants much. Maybe her specific job is not to be at the front desk greeting people, but just patrol at night. We don't know, and can't make assumptions that we do. Even if she recognized him, which you "tend to believe" without any real grounds, if his past behaviour has been a concern, why shouldn't she be if not scared, at least wary?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

It's pretty terrible considering how you made some pretty awful presumptions about her character and motivations in this incident, to which there's no evidence or indication that you are correct.

It's also terrible that you don't consider her fears to be valid and dismiss them out of hand.

You then go on to consider how horrible this is going to be for Matthews going forward, grossly exaggerating how people will treat him in public, basically treating him like the real victim here (of what, his own stupidity?).

Do I have that right?

Hmm....

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Dumb dip####s working on the rigs do stuff like this because they know they don't have much of a future.

[Hockeyguy15]

This thread...Woof.

[bettercallbettman]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

.... how exactly does she end up with “a big payout”?

You can sue for anything in America. I’d imagine she will get a couple bucks

[bettercallbettman]

Wonder how this rich boy would feel if someone did the same to Alexandria and Breyana? Minding their own business and a group of howling drunks surround their car while exposing themselves.

[CF84]

Wow...I find it completely baffling, that so many are making the security guard out to be the one in the wrong/overreacting/exploiting here. This is the sort of attitude that we would make fun of in the E=NG thread.


To those that think she must have been sleeping...We simply don't know. I was in a band (recording an album at the time) and with no provocation or reason, our fully sober, lead singer ran screaming at a security guard's car (who was fully awake and paying attention) and did a roll up the hood and windshield of the car. Now, I'm still not sure what that guard's heart did in that moment, but he did end up chasing and not catching us. If he had caught our singer, he could have probably pressed charges...and guess what, he wouldn't have been in the wrong. We were the stupid ones, not him.



Matthews and his friends were the stupid ones, not her.





Even if she was sleeping.

[BeltlineFan]

Originally Posted by locsofblu

####ing millenials

Auston Matthews? He's not a millenial.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by BeltlineFan

Auston Matthews? He's not a millenial.

####ing Gen Z.

[FireFly]

Yeah, this thread really shows the character of a lot of posters here.


As a female, being approached by any strange group of men at 2 AM is frightening regardless of whether they are drunk or not. Regardless of whether I'm alone or not. Just so everybody here is clear on that. Under no circumstances would any female ever feel secure when faced by 3 strange men at 2 AM. In a car, outside of a car, there are no circumstances that it doesn't put you on edge. The fact that he tried to brush it off as thinking it would be funny is actually pretty disgusting. It would be kinda like me pointing a loaded gun at you "just for a second!" and then laughing because "hahahahahha, you were so scared! You should've seen your face! OMG, did you #### your pants?! That's even funnier! Hahahahhahaha!"

Now that that is out of the way, the fact that he apparently listened to her concerns and decided to moon her as a response is what really reflects poorly upon his character. It shows his level of maturity and his lack of empathy.
The fact that he hid this from the Leafs shows his sense of entitlement. I bet he thought he could just pay for this to go away.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Pretty spot on piece by a female writer from FTW.





https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/09/map...re-no-laughing

Quoted again, as this is the best explanation of the situation. Some of the hot takes on here are embarrassing.

[RichKlit]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

It's pretty terrible considering how you made some pretty awful presumptions about her character and motivations in this incident, to which there's no evidence or indication that you are correct.

It's also terrible that you don't consider her fears to be valid and dismiss them out of hand.

You then go on to consider how horrible this is going to be for Matthews going forward, grossly exaggerating how people will treat him in public, basically treating him like the real victim here (of what, his own stupidity?).

Do I have that right?

So your a hypocrite? Do I have that right?