Auston Matthews charged with disorderly conduct

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Flamette

There’s a difference between who is being outnumbered in these scenarios. The incident as described would have scared the $@#! out of me.

Fair enough. I dont work security jobs, cause im not in to physical confrontation and id be scared of 4 big men 2.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Do you think this would have happened if they were all sober? Had they been high on ketamine would you be placing some blame on the mental state that drug put them in?

Maybe not, but this doesn't absolve Matthews of responsibility. We don't know if he's high on anything else, and even if he was, I don't think that grants him a free pass.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Id say that goes for men and woman. I worked in the bar industry for most of my 20's.

Iv seen a lot of drunk behavior. By no means is it always the boys. I can recall watching a group or girls sexually harass the #### out of one of our bouncers hands everywhere. Then assault him, kicking scratching spitting.

But hey he probably liked it right? He is a big man and can take it...

Get a grip.
If you can't grasp that is far more common for a woman to be sexually harassed by a man than vice versa, then I don't know what to tell you.

You seem to be trying REALLY hard to excuse this behavior.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Get a grip.
If you can't grasp that is far more common for a woman to be sexually harassed by a man than vice versa, then I don't know what to tell you.

You seem to be trying REALLY hard to excuse this behavior.

I dont think any of them sexually harrassed her. Maybe i missed that in the article. Mooning someone from a distance I guess is something.

[Strange Brew]

A measure of his character would be to know how he handled this once he sobered up. This was his building and he likely knew the lady, or had seen her before.

Did he go out of his way to apologize, seek to make amends, demonstrate remorse etc.?

Or did he wait until he was found out. Because I promise you the public apologies and contrition will be coming now and they usually mean squat.

Genuine remorse and an apology don't change the fact that this was unacceptable behavior, drunk or otherwise. But it might give you an idea if he learned something from it and is prepared to accept the consequences of his behavior, or if he is just another entitled rich superstar.

[The Boy Wonder]

Wait wait wait...

Now its sexual assault to open a security persons car door and allegedly "moon" her with boxers still on???

My oh my... Can we just get to the regular season already

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Id say that goes for men and woman. I worked in the bar industry for most of my 20's.

Iv seen a lot of drunk behavior. By no means is it always the boys. I can recall watching a group or girls sexually harass the #### out of one of our bouncers hands everywhere. Then assault him, kicking scratching spitting.

But hey he probably liked it right? He is a big man and can take it...

Absolutely not! Gender doesn't change whether the behavior is acceptable.

He's in trouble and that's fine. No one's suggesting he be murdered for doing something that has consequences.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

A measure of his character would be to know how he handled this once he sobered up. This was his building and he likely knew the lady, or had seen her before.

Did he go out of his way to apologize, seek to make amends, demonstrate remorse etc.?

Or did he wait until he was found out. Because I promise you the public apologies and contrition will be coming now and they usually mean squat.

Genuine remorse and an apology don't change the fact that this was unacceptable behavior, drunk or otherwise. But it might give you an idea if he learned something from it and is prepared to accept the consequences of his behavior, or if he is just another entitled rich superstar.

I’m not sure about the merits of demonstrating good character in such a litigious society.

Probably safest just to deny the whole thing. Seems to work down there.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Wait wait wait...

Now its sexual assault to open a security persons car door and allegedly "moon" her with boxers still on???

My oh my... Can we just get to the regular season already

Ya that's what I was thinking. When was she sexually assaulted.

And im being told to get a grip...

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

Maybe not, but this doesn't absolve Matthews of responsibility. We don't know if he's high on anything else, and even if he was, I don't think that grants him a free pass.

Definitely. I’m just saying that alcohol abuse is far too normalized in our society and is often a catalyst for awful and dangerous behaviour. I think it’s role in events like this and more serious crimes needs to be looked at.

[Timbo]

Stupid drunken decision by a young man. Hopefully he learns from this and there is not a reoccurring pattern of bad behaviour from misconceived entitlement.

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Wait wait wait...

Now its sexual assault to open a security persons car door and allegedly "moon" her with boxers still on???

Said no one.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Id say that goes for men and woman. I worked in the bar industry for most of my 20's.

Iv seen a lot of drunk behavior. By no means is it always the boys. I can recall watching a group or girls sexually harass the #### out of one of our bouncers hands everywhere. Then assault him, kicking scratching spitting.

But hey he probably liked it right? He is a big man and can take it...

Okay fine. If a woman gets drunk and starts harassing a guy in large groups, that'd also constitute disorderly conduct. If the crux of your issue is that there isn't the exact same standard for women, then you have to ask yourself why that is. As others have said, you can't possibly believe that this kind of behaviour is equally as common as men harassing women.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I’m not sure about the merits of demonstrating good character in such a litigious society.

Probably safest just to deny the whole thing. Seems to work down there.

I couldn't disagree with this more.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

This can be both an awful thing to do, and a dumb mistake that shouldn't significantly impact the guy's career. Both of those things can be the case, and, I think, are the case here.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I couldn't disagree with this more.

You watched the US the past several years?

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

Okay fine. If a woman gets drunk and starts harassing a guy in large groups, that'd also constitute disorderly conduct. If the crux of your issue is that there isn't the exact same standard for women, then you have to ask yourself why that is. As others have said, you can't possibly believe that this kind of behaviour is equally as common as men harassing women.

I never mentioned anything about what is more common. Just mentioned that it goes for men and woman. Drunk and stupid is drunk and stupid

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Wait wait wait...

Now its sexual assault to open a security persons car door and allegedly "moon" her with boxers still on???

My oh my... Can we just get to the regular season already

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Ya that's what I was thinking. When was she sexually assaulted.

And im being told to get a grip...

Just so we are clear...you two are the first in this thread to use the word assault
No one said it was assault

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I never mentioned anything about what is more common. Just mentioned that it goes for men and woman. Drunk and stupid is drunk and stupid

So you're drunk?

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Just so we are clear...you two are the first in this thread to use the word assault
No one said it was assault

Ok. But I didn't read anything about sexual harrassment either.