Auston Matthews charged with disorderly conduct

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Drunk doesn't excuse stupid behavior. That woman had severe PTSD. It could have ended real tragic for Matthews.

Especially in America where everyone is packing, especially veterans!

[DeluxeMoustache]

Failure to contemplate her potential impression and response was very stupid.
Intent was not assault.

Definitely not reasonable to know she had PTSD

The charge is appropriate, disorderly conduct

Steve Simmons is a garbage mudslinging tabloid trash quality writer who needs to talk about Leaf captaincy like a god damn soap opera

Hopefully this story goes away. Or Simmons.
Just Simmons

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Failure to contemplate her potential impression and response was very stupid.
Intent was not assault.

Definitely not reasonable to know she had PTSD

The charge is appropriate, disorderly conduct

Steve Simmons is a garbage mudslinging tabloid trash quality writer who needs to talk about Leaf captaincy like a god damn soap opera

Hopefully this story goes away. Or Simmons.
Just Simmons

Nah, Toronto media and the leafs deserve one another

[VilleN]

I think it is time that alcohol is taken more seriously as a drug. I would say 100% of the bad choices I made in my youth were alcohol influenced. No one wants to call out the common culprit in stories like this. Young, cocky men + alcohol is often a horrible combination. If Matthews were high on coke when this happened, that would be a big part of this story. Alcohol is as bad as any drug out there when abused, but we all accept it as a societal norm.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Nah, Toronto media and the leafs deserve one another

Fair point

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I think it is time that alcohol is taken more seriously as a drug. I would say 100% of the bad choices I made in my youth were alcohol influenced. No one wants to call out the common culprit in stories like this. Young, cocky men + alcohol is often a horrible combination. If Matthews were high on coke when this happened, that would be a big part of this story. Alcohol is as bad as any drug out there when abused, but we all accept it as a societal norm.

What exactly are you suggesting here??

[getbak]

Was she in a personal vehicle or a marked security vehicle?

Not that either one is smart, but I'd say there's a difference between, "let's go try to get into that random woman's car", and "I wonder what that security guard would do if we jumped into the back of the car?"

Given that it's Arizona, either one could get you shot.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

What exactly are you suggesting here??

That we don’t accept it being just “drunken silliness”

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by manwiches

Breaking news! 22 year old Male acts disorderly after a night drinking. And by the way, he's a professional hockey player.

This isn't news. People need to get a grip.

Edit. I don't condone aggressiveness or unwanted sexual advances. But this isn't anything that a good chunk of 22 year old males haven't done

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You're entire post is condoning it. WTF?

[Point Blank]

Even when drunk, people still have some measure of control over their actions.

The issue isn't alcohol. It's what we deem appropriate conduct for men. It's time to hold young men accountable for their actions instead of the archaic, "boys will be boys," mindset. Like honestly, what does that even mean? That men, by nature of their chromosomes are allowed to gather in groups and harass a female at 2am?

[motorcrosser]

This will get more coverage than your coolio PM. Because it's.. The leafs.

Sent from Indianapolis

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Failure to contemplate her potential impression and response was very stupid.
Intent was not assault.

Definitely not reasonable to know she had PTSD

The charge is appropriate, disorderly conduct

Steve Simmons is a garbage mudslinging tabloid trash quality writer who needs to talk about Leaf captaincy like a god damn soap opera

Hopefully this story goes away. Or Simmons.
Just Simmons

Im no fan of Steve Simmons either, but I think in this instance his argument is pretty valid.

This episode, if nothing else, shows a real lack of maturity and maybe a bit of entitlement. Im not sure that's the type of guy you want leading a group of men who have a real shot at going a very long way in the playoffs this season as currently constructed.

Not that I really care cause i truly hope i get to watch the Bruins take them out in overtime of game 7 in round one.

The salt would be glorious.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

What exactly are you suggesting here??

Better education around the drug, Take it’s effects more seriously, discouraging binge drinking etc.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Pretty dumb, Arizona is a "stand your ground" state and if the person felt threatened in their vehicle they are allowed to use deadly force to defend themselves. Mix in a woman military vet with PTSD and this could have ended very badly.

I already thought Matthews was an idiot for doing this, and I hadn't even thought of the crazy 'stand your ground' laws in US states like Arizona. She could have stepped out of her car, pumped a dozen bullets into his head (or his exposed ass) and she would just walk away from it without charges even being considered.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

That we don’t accept it being just “drunken silliness”

He's been charged with disorderly conduct. Not sure what more can/needs to be done.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

Even when drunk, people still have some measure of control over their actions.

The issue isn't alcohol. It's what we deem appropriate conduct for men. It's time to hold young men accountable for their actions instead of the archaic, "boys will be boys," mindset. Like honestly, what does that even mean? That men, by nature of their chromosomes are allowed to gather in groups and harass a female at 2am?

Do you think this would have happened if they were all sober? Had they been high on ketamine would you be placing some blame on the mental state that drug put them in?

[Flamette]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Nope, my drunkin brother on his stag night jumped in to a car out front of our hotel. Told the couple to drive him to his hotel as he was to drunk to walk . It was pretty funny and my brother felt bad in the morning, but definitely didnt mean any harm.

The woman is a security guard! Not an 18 year old girl lost in the woods! Christ!

There’s a difference between who is being outnumbered in these scenarios. The incident as described would have scared the $@#! out of me.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Im no fan of Steve Simmons either, but I think in this instance his argument is pretty valid.

This episode, if nothing else, shows a real lack of maturity and maybe a bit of entitlement. Im not sure that's the type of guy you want leading a group of men who have a real shot at going a very long way in the playoffs this season as currently constructed.

Not that I really care cause i truly hope i get to watch the Bruins take them out in overtime of game 7 in round one.

The salt would be glorious.

Boston - Toronto game 7s are can’t miss TV

[zukes]

The mooning/walking away with his pants down...meh whatever.

The group of guys approaching a female in her car at 2:00am is troubling and unacceptable.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

Even when drunk, people still have some measure of control over their actions.

The issue isn't alcohol. It's what we deem appropriate conduct for men. It's time to hold young men accountable for their actions instead of the archaic, "boys will be boys," mindset. Like honestly, what does that even mean? That men, by nature of their chromosomes are allowed to gather in groups and harass a female at 2am?

Id say that goes for men and woman. I worked in the bar industry for most of my 20's.

Iv seen a lot of drunk behavior. By no means is it always the boys. I can recall watching a group or girls sexually harass the #### out of one of our bouncers hands everywhere. Then assault him, kicking scratching spitting.

But hey he probably liked it right? He is a big man and can take it...