[Signing] Lightning sign Point (3yrs, $6.75 mil AAV)

[868904]

I'm honestly ok with having Tkachuk for only 3 more years and trading him for assets in the 4th year. You might even be able to take a run at Braydon Point (who I think is a better player), after that with all the free cap space you have.

It's a young man's league now and these next 3 years are likely to be his best compared to the 5 to 8 years he will demand on his next contract.

Sure, 5 year contract would be best as you would get 4 years and then entertain trading him in the 5th, but really it's only 1 more year and you are going to have to pay close to $2 million per year.

[Superfraggle]

If you buy into the "window" idea of contending for a cup, this makes a lot of sense for the Lightning, who are set up brilliantly for the next 3-4 years. By the time 2023-24 rolls around, yes, Point is UFA which will cost them more, but their big contracts will be starting to turn ugly due to players aging, so maybe you are thinking about sacrificing those years to contend for the next few.

In 2023-24:
Kucherov (Age: 30 $9.5M x 3 more years)
Stamkos (Age: 33 $8.5M x 1)
Gourde (Age: 31 $5.2M x 2)
Johnson (Age: 33 $5M x 1)
Hedman (Age: 32 $7.875M x 2)
McDonagh (Age: 34 $6.75M x 3)
Vasilevskiy (Age: 29 $9.5M x 3)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

A 2 year deal is not much different from a 3 year deal.

If Tkachuk wants he can take 2 year deal, 1 year arbitration award, 1 year arbitration award to free agency.

It is essentially what Trouba planned to do with Winnipeg.

Yes that's true.

But if Tkachuk took the arb deal in year 3, it would be apparent that negotiations aren't going to go well, and the Flames would have time to look to trade him (or determine the appropriate plan)

[Weitz]

Any word on structuring? Do you want money now or in the third year to work with the QO?

Does the fact its a Florida based team play into this? Whats the value if he is signing in higher taxed jurisdictions? If I recall people weren't really using Stamkos contract as a basis for comparison because of this, but maybe I am wrong there.


Edit: 9 million in year 3.

[Enoch Root]

On a 3-year deal for an RFA, you definitely want the money in year 3.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Peters on hearing Point has signed

[sureLoss]

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Because we are now keeping track of these things...third year salary for Point in TB is $9M

[Enoch Root]

Regarding taxes, it is a non-issue for RFAs.

If the player says "taxes are lower in FLA", the team replies with "the cap is the same for everyone, and teams run payroll on a pre-tax basis. If you are concerned about taxes, you should discuss it with your agent and accountant."

[868904]

Originally Posted by Superfraggle

If you buy into the "window" idea of contending for a cup, this makes a lot of sense for the Lightning, who are set up brilliantly for the next 3-4 years. By the time 2023-24 rolls around, yes, Point is UFA which will cost them more, but their big contracts will be starting to turn ugly due to players aging, so maybe you are thinking about sacrificing those years to contend for the next few.

In 2023-24:
Kucherov (Age: 30 $9.5M x 3 more years)
Stamkos (Age: 33 $8.5M x 1)
Gourde (Age: 31 $5.2M x 2)
Johnson (Age: 33 $5M x 1)
Hedman (Age: 32 $7.875M x 2)
McDonagh (Age: 34 $6.75M x 3)
Vasilevskiy (Age: 29 $9.5M x 3)

Flames are in the exact same situation as the Lightning.

[sureLoss]

Pierre LeBrun @PierreVLeBrun
Breakdown of Point contract:
Year 1, $5.25 M total ($1 M salary, $4.25 M signing bonus)
Year 2, $6.5 M total ($3 M salary, $3.5 M SB)
Year 3, $9 M all salary

[getbak]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Pierre LeBrun @PierreVLeBrun
Breakdown of Point contract:
Year 1, $5.25 M total ($1 M salary, $4.25 M signing bonus)
Year 2, $6.5 M total ($3 M salary, $3.5 M SB)
Year 3, $9 M all salary

There you go Tre. Photocopy that and fax it to Tkachuk.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Because we are now keeping track of these things...third year salary for Point in TB is $9M

So if Point wants to play it that way (using arb in year 4), it is essentially $29.25M over 4 years (or a $7.3125 equivalent AAV). And then he's a UFA.

These deals are horrible for the teams and for fans in the markets other than the popular UFA destinations.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by getbak

There you go Tre. Photocopy that and fax it to Tkachuk.

That is a terrible deal for Tkachuk IMO

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That is a terrible deal for Tkachuk IMO

Agreed. Point is better and plays a move valuable position


This and the Aho deals set “not gunna happen” ceilings for Tkachuk IMO. Not close comparables

[ah123]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Regarding taxes, it is a non-issue for RFAs.

If the player says "taxes are lower in FLA", the team replies with "the cap is the same for everyone, and teams run payroll on a pre-tax basis. If you are concerned about taxes, you should discuss it with your agent and accountant."

I would remind the player that he gets paid in US$ while his living expenses are in Canadian $.

[bax]

Originally Posted by ah123

I would remind the player that he gets paid in US$ while his living expenses are in Canadian $.

This means nothing when talking these kinds of dollars. The players want to make market value- they aren't considering things like living expenses. If that was the case then UFA's wouldn't sign in Manhattan at the rate that they do.

[pseudoreality]

Marner deal - 6 x $10.9MM = $65.4MM
Point deal - 3 x $6.75MM = $20.25

They could resign point for $15MM x 3 years and still pay less than what Marner gets over the total 6 years ($65.25MM).

[Fire]

Well this is the max that Tkachuk will get on a 3 year deal. I would be fine with the same deal. If Tkachuk is in a hurry to leave Calgary and only accepts a 1 year deal after 3 years then you trade him.

[puckedoff]

I was expecting a much longer holdout for Point. Gotta feel like this moves the timetable up for Tkachuk now too. At least here's hoping.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ah123

I would remind the player that he gets paid in US$ while his living expenses are in Canadian $.

I would also remind him that the Pope is Catholic and, yes indeed, a bear does poop in the woods.