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View Poll Results: Best guess for Tkachuk's contract result
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8 @ 7M
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10 |
1.61% |
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8 @ 8M
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41 |
6.59% |
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8 @ 9M
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21 |
3.38% |
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8 @ 10M
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8 |
1.29% |
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7 @ 7M
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21 |
3.38% |
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7 @ 8M
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61 |
9.81% |
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7 @ 9M
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19 |
3.05% |
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7 @ 10M
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3 |
0.48% |
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6 @ 6M
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4 |
0.64% |
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6 @ 7M
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48 |
7.72% |
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6 @ 8M
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126 |
20.26% |
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6 @ 9M
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27 |
4.34% |
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5 @ 6M
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3 |
0.48% |
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5 @ 7M
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56 |
9.00% |
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5 @ 8M
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66 |
10.61% |
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5 @ 9M
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10 |
1.61% |
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4 @ 5M
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1 |
0.16% |
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4 @ 6M
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4 |
0.64% |
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4 @ 7M
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19 |
3.05% |
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3 @ 4M
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0.32% |
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3 @ 5M
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0.64% |
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3 @ 6M
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46 |
7.40% |
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2 @ 4M
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0.48% |
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2 @ 5M
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15 |
2.41% |
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1 @ 4M
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1 |
0.16% |
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1 @ 5M
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0.48% |
09-20-2019, 06:05 PM
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#1721
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
TC, I agree with you that Tkachuk has tools to make up for his skating not being the most beautiful to behold. He relies on other strengths to be elite, which he is.
My favourite Jagr quote about some players getting to the wrong place fast, whereas he just goes to the right place does sort of apply to a guy like Tkachuk.
I think it has to do a lot with willingness to go to the tough areas (front of the net, we have all seen him parked there), plus some really good hand eye (and we all know he works hard on his tips regularly in practice), and also a high level of compete.
I just don’t necessarily understand how you can look at him and Rantanen and make an assertion that Matty has better vision and anticipation. Rantanen probably outscores Tkachuk for a reason...
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Yeah. That reason's name is Nathan MacKinnon.
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.. and, if Sakic is successful with his valuation of Rantanen at 8.4-8.75 over a 6-8 year term, that bodes well for BT.
No way BT bites on 8.5 for MT if Rantanen is unsigned
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No question.
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09-20-2019, 06:12 PM
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#1722
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
That seems fairly simplistic. How can Tkachuk sign any contract unless the Flames offer him one? And I doubt the Flames make any offer they cannot afford.
But I expect that the Flames will need to adjust what “they are prepared to offer” to get Tkachuk signed.
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Sure, but the situation I was addressing specifically was the event in which the Flames were so negatively affected by Tkachuk's absence on 15 December that they would be forced into offering a lot more than they want to in order to sign him at that juncture. In the first place, I don't foresee this as an especially plausible situation. The Flames are a good team even without Matthew Tkachuk in the lineup. In the second place, because of how the cap-hit is pro-rated for contracts signed mid-season, the Flames will not have the cap room necessary to offer Tkachuk any more than he hopes to sign for today. So, if the Flames find themselves in the unlikely position of desperation to sign Tkachuk in mid-December, chances seem pretty high that he will end up missing the entire season.
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09-20-2019, 06:47 PM
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#1723
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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I see mid-December being mentioned. Is Dec 1st not the cut off for signing a contract for the 19/20 season?
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09-20-2019, 06:55 PM
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#1724
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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He misses games, I'm jumping on the trade him bandwagon.
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09-20-2019, 07:05 PM
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#1725
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
He misses games, I'm jumping on the trade him bandwagon.
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Same
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09-20-2019, 07:08 PM
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#1726
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Feb 2010
Exp: 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by goflamesgo18
Same
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Yep.
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09-20-2019, 07:56 PM
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#1727
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shniper
Yep.
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Nope.
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09-20-2019, 07:59 PM
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#1728
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If he misses games, I may be on the ‘offer him 1 yr at 4 mill (pro rate to 6) and maybe play him on PP2, see how that works out for him and his agent’ bandwagon.
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09-20-2019, 08:15 PM
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#1729
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
He misses games, I'm jumping on the trade him bandwagon.
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Definitely.
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09-20-2019, 08:16 PM
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#1730
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Strathmore
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I see MT sitting for the year if he does not sign by the end of the month.
I really think that the Flames need to hold their ground, as IMO, MT is not worth over 7 mil per year on any length of contract.
And IMO, no trade, let him sit.
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09-20-2019, 08:21 PM
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#1731
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
If he misses games, I may be on the ‘offer him 1 yr at 4 mill (pro rate to 6) and maybe play him on PP2, see how that works out for him and his agent’ bandwagon.
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I doubt you need to worry about playing him on PP2 when he’s sitting in the stands.
If anyone thinks Tkachuk will simply cave if the season starts without him, I would think again.
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09-20-2019, 08:22 PM
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#1732
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wired
IMO, MT is not worth over 7 mil per year on any length of contract.
And IMO, no trade, let him sit.
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How can people even say things like this?
The market is well established. He is getting over $7 and fair market is in the $8’s on anything over a 5 year term.
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09-20-2019, 08:23 PM
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#1733
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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People take this stuff way too personally. One of the things I love about Brad Treliving is that he doesn't—he won't. He will make a calculated business decision.
Last edited by Textcritic; 09-20-2019 at 08:31 PM.
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09-20-2019, 08:25 PM
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#1734
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 868904
How can people even say things like this?
The market is well established. He is getting over $7 and fair market is in the $8’s on anything over a 5 year term.
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Six years? Yes. On five years? I don't think the market is established enough at all to conclude that a five-year deal is worth +$8.0 m.
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09-20-2019, 08:30 PM
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#1735
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First Line Centre
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Meh, I'm expecting him to miss games and I'm not overly worked up about it
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09-20-2019, 08:44 PM
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#1736
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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Big no from me to trading Tkachuk. Madness!
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09-20-2019, 08:47 PM
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#1737
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Six years? Yes. On five years? I don't think the market is established enough at all to conclude that a five-year deal is worth +$8.0 m.
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You dont think he could claim he is worth 3M a year less than Matthews?
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09-20-2019, 08:51 PM
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#1738
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
You dont think he could claim he is worth 3M a year less than Matthews?
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Oh, hell, go get an offer sheet for as much money as Dubas has left.
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09-20-2019, 08:53 PM
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#1739
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
I doubt you need to worry about playing him on PP2 when he’s sitting in the stands.
If anyone thinks Tkachuk will simply cave if the season starts without him, I would think again.
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It’s his choice to say no to several million dollars
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09-20-2019, 08:57 PM
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#1740
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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No trade but let him sit if it means we get a fair deal.
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