The Matthew Tkachuk contract negotiations

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I think you have to have factor in that Boeser missed a lot of games, so points/60 don't really tell the whole story.

That’s what per 60 stats factor in.

[dissentowner]

Nm

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If you are not prepared to pay Tkachuk what the market is you trade him, you don't just sit him the whole year. That doesn't help anyone.

Depends on the return.

You don’t give away the player for less than fair value just because he is asking for more than you are willing to spend. That would be poor asset management

The whole point of the R in RFA is that the rights of the player are limited. Just because Dubas bends over backwards and loses every negotiation doesn’t mean good GMs must

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If you are not prepared to pay Tkachuk what the market is you trade him, you don't just sit him the whole year. That doesn't help anyone.

Trade him for a worse player and pay that guy 11M?

obviously you don't do that

[dino7c]

Keep coming back to the 1M for 10 points range...a little more on a longer term deal

get it done

[Muta]

If things go bad, trade Tkachuk to TB for Calgary boy Brayden Point, then move Monahan to Winnipeg for Laine. Done.

KIDDING

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Trade him for a worse player and pay that guy 11M?

obviously you don't do that

Whoa, where did I say that? I said it would be better to trade him then to have him sit out an entire year. I didn't say for who or what.

[Flash Walken]

Let's not kid ourselves, there is no situation that sees tkschuk out of the lineup that is beneficial to the flames.

If the cost of signing tkachik was frolik and Brodie you don't blink before pulling that trigger.

This isn't a nylander situation, it's an Iginla situation.

The flames NEED tkachuk in the lineup.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Let's not kid ourselves, there is no situation that sees tkschuk out of the lineup that is beneficial to the flames.

If the cost of signing tkachik was frolik and Brodie you don't blink before pulling that trigger.

This isn't a nylander situation, it's an Iginla situation.

The flames NEED tkachuk in the lineup.

It’s way more of a Nylander situation than an Iginla situation

Iginla was far and away the best player on the team

Tkachuk is not better than Gaudreau or Gio, he is in the conversation with Monahan and Lindholm

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Depends on the return.

You don’t give away the player for less than fair value just because he is asking for more than you are willing to spend. That would be poor asset management

The whole point of the R in RFA is that the rights of the player are limited. Just because Dubas bends over backwards and loses every negotiation doesn’t mean good GMs must

Generally what you day is correct, but having him sit creates a lesser value automatically.

Really poor asset management is having him sit in the stands.

[leo_mendes]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Really if you look at Boeser, Draisaitl, and Aho as his closest comparable players based on production the last two years then I think the deal becomes more clear.

The last two seasons in all situations:

Goals/60
Boeser: 1.37
Tkachuk: 1.35
Draisaitl: 1.34
Aho: 1.16

Points/60
Draisaitl: 3.13
Tkachuk: 2.93
Aho: 2.91
Boeser:2.77

So that's the comparable grouping.

Aho: 5 years @ $8.5M
Draisaitl: 6 years @ $8.5M remaining
Boeser: 3 years @ $5.875M

So I think for him you could say that a 3 year deal would be a similar value to Boeser, and then tack on 3 more years at a higher value after that. Also that type of salary structure, let's you maybe pay a lower "Gio/Johnny Cap" real salary those first three years.

Say something like this:

19/20: $6.75M
20/21: $6.75M
21/22: $6.75M
22/23: $9.5M
23/24: $10.25M
24/25: $11.0M

That gets you to $51M for 6 years, and an $8.5M cap hit for the 6 years. That feels pretty fair to both sides to me, and in line with his closest comparable players.

Ok it make sense but how do you deal with the current 6.3 cap space for this year ? I think that the original idea was to trade TJ to open up space for Tkachuck but with the Valimaki's injury this path is gone. How open up 1,7M space for this season ?

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by leo_mendes

Ok it make sense but how do you deal with the current 6.3 cap space for this year ? I think that the original idea was to trade TJ to open up space for Tkachuck but with the Valimaki's injury this path is gone. How open up 1,7M space for this season ?

The only good option is to get Thachuk at 2 years for 12.6 Mil total. (I doubt he will do that) but if you consider frolik as a guy you'd want to acquire at the dealine anyways, then you just have to get thachuk under the cap somehow.

The option of a long term deal IMO is not in the flames best interest this season or next

[leo_mendes]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

The only good option is to get Thachuk at 2 years for 12.6 Mil total. (I doubt he will do that) but if you consider frolik as a guy you'd want to acquire at the dealine anyways, then you just have to get thachuk under the cap somehow.

The option of a long term deal IMO is not in the flames best interest this season or next

It seems that a bridge contract might be the only real option for both sides.

[Vinny01]

If Columbus comes in and offers him 7 years $70M and he accepts it. What do the Flames do?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by leo_mendes

Ok it make sense but how do you deal with the current 6.3 cap space for this year ? I think that the original idea was to trade TJ to open up space for Tkachuck but with the Valimaki's injury this path is gone. How open up 1,7M space for this season ?

You actually only need to put Valimaki on LTIR and move one of Czarnik or Jankowski. Sign one of the PTOs to $700k.

FORWARDS (13)
Right wing: Dillon Dubé ($778,333) - Andrew Mangiapane ($715,000) - Michael Frolík ($4,300,000) - Tobias Rieder ($700,000)
Centre: Sean Monahan ($6,375,000) - Elias Lindholm ($4,850,000) - Mikael Backlund ($5,350,000) - Derek Ryan ($3,125,000) - Mark Jankowski ($1,675,000)
Left wing: Johnny Gaudreau ($6,750,000) - Matthew Tkachuk ($8,500,000) - Sam Bennett ($2,550,000) - Milan Lucic ($5,250,000)

DEFENSE (7)
Right: TJ Brodie ($4,650,400) - Travis Hamonic ($3,857,143) - Rasmus Andersson ($755,833) - Michael Stone ($700,000)
Left: Mark Giordano ($6,750,000) - Noah Hanifin ($4,950,000) - Oliver Kylington ($730,833)

GOALTENDER (2)
David Rittich ($2,750,000) - Cam Talbot ($2,750,000)

BUYOUTS (2)
Troy Brouwer ($1,500,000) - Michael Stone ($1,166,667)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 22
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Cap Hit: $81,479,209
Cap Space: $20,791

That would probably be too close to the cap. But if it's Jankowski you move instead of Czarnik then you'd have closer to $500k in cap space instead. Other option is to only go with 12 forwards and not carry any extras.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Whoa, where did I say that? I said it would be better to trade him then to have him sit out an entire year. I didn't say for who or what.

You quoted me when I said trading for PL and giving him 11M would be crazy

[Manhattanboy]

Ya I was opposed to a bridge as well but that may be the way to go. Looks like a long term deal is not in the cards.

Was really hoping for 6x8 but at the end of the day it seems neither party is going to get close to what they wanted....

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If Columbus comes in and offers him 7 years $70M and he accepts it. What do the Flames do?

Columbus could not offer that as they don’t have the requisite picks.

They could only offer him $10.5+ at the cost of four first round picks, in which case you laugh and take them all the way to the bank.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If Columbus comes in and offers him 7 years $70M and he accepts it. What do the Flames do?

I mean, this is all hypothetical, since I don't see a realistic scenario in which Tkachuk signs a long term deal to play in CBJ. But at that price, I think as tough as it would be the Flames may just have to let him go and accept the compensation.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Let's not kid ourselves, there is no situation that sees tkschuk out of the lineup that is beneficial to the flames.

If the cost of signing tkachik was frolik and Brodie you don't blink before pulling that trigger.

This isn't a nylander situation, it's an Iginla situation.

The flames NEED tkachuk in the lineup.

What? So you believe that Tkachuk is as valuable to this team as Iginla was to his team? Tkachuk is anywhere from the 3rd-5th best player on the team. Iginla was #1. His name was synonymous with the Flames. It’s not even remotely close. If Gaudreau held out that would be close to your Iginla comparison- but the teams Iginla played for he wasn’t one of a few comparable players. He was it. As Iginla went, the Flames went.