The Matthew Tkachuk contract negotiations

[Wolfman]

Why isn't this thing done yet?!

[djsFlames]

Just bridge it. I don't care anymore. Give me my full team.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by tkflames

How do you know that? Are you a reincarnation of gaudreauvertime?? In my opinion Chucky is not worth $8M yet...which is as much an opinion as your bold statements. Clearly the flsmes (and every other team not named Montreal/Toronto/Edmonton) agree, else the deal would be done.

The Flames have already offered him more than that.

Tkachuk doesn’t want that much term.


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[blender]

If there is a trend to be identified it seems that the addition years are really expensive.

Aho 5x8.5
Marner 6x10.9

Getting the 6th or 7th years added on is going to cost the franchise bucks for sure in my opinion.
I am curious to see how it shakes out, but I think 7 years cost 9-plus. To get him at 7/ 7.5 would be 5 years max.

Again, my opinion only.
I'm calling a 2-3 year deal at 6-7.5. Perhaps with a big salary in the last year to raise the QO

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If the Flames only thought Tkachuk was worth $5 million and weren’t prepared to pay him more than that, then yes he would be offer sheeted or traded. I promise you his agent would have been negotiating with every other team in the league. At minimum, he would never play a game with the Flames again.

You do realize that another team has to make up the offer sheet. Tkachuk just can't go to LA and say I want an offer sheet for 9x5

There is no benefit for a team to offer sheet him unless they actually think he is worth 11M year AND 4 first round picks or else the Flames just match.

Trouba wanted a 10M offer sheet from Boston. He held out and signed 2 year deal for 6M in 2016-17. Then the arbitrator gave him 5.5 to play his 6th year in Winnipeg. The Jets got a 1st round pick and a 24 year old 3M x 3 yr D-man for him.

Not easy for a player to mess with a team.

[dino7c]

I think some of you are stuck in 2-3 years ago...market is the market right now. 8M contact is not a top tier offensive player anymore...those guys are all over 10M. If you are paying 1M for every 10 points that is fair value.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by blender

If there is a trend to be identified it seems that the addition years are really expensive.

Aho 5x8.5
Marner 6x10.9

Getting the 6th or 7th years added on is going to cost the franchise bucks for sure in my opinion.
I am curious to see how it shakes out, but I think 7 years cost 9-plus. To get him at 7/ 7.5 would be 5 years max.

Again, my opinion only.
I'm calling a 2-3 year deal at 6-7.5. Perhaps with a big salary in the last year to raise the QO

I would be fine with a 2-4 year deal at 6-7.5
But why does Tkachuk do this over a 9x8 deal?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think some of you are stuck in 2-3 years ago...market is the market right now. 8M contact is not a top tier offensive player anymore...those guys are all over 10M. If you are paying 1M for every 10 points that is fair value.

That would place Tkachuk at roughly 7.7 mil. Sounds good to me.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by blender

If there is a trend to be identified it seems that the addition years are really expensive.

Aho 5x8.5
Marner 6x10.9

Getting the 6th or 7th years added on is going to cost the franchise bucks for sure in my opinion.
I am curious to see how it shakes out, but I think 7 years cost 9-plus. To get him at 7/ 7.5 would be 5 years max.

Again, my opinion only.
I'm calling a 2-3 year deal at 6-7.5. Perhaps with a big salary in the last year to raise the QO

Along those lines... while those UFA years might look like a bargain in retrospect, I do wonder if it is worth the risk now. If the Flames can get the relative discount on a five year deal and take him to UFA, so be it. Not ideal of course, but a lot can happen over the course of the next 4-5 years. Cap goes up (or doesn't), players move on, develop differently, get hurt, etc.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

That would place Tkachuk at roughly 7.7 mil. Sounds good to me.

Yeah for me anywhere around 8 is market value. The only comparables we should be using are RFA's signed this summer. Any other contact is irrelevant.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by blender

If there is a trend to be identified it seems that the addition years are really expensive.

Aho 5x8.5
Marner 6x10.9

Getting the 6th or 7th years added on is going to cost the franchise bucks for sure in my opinion.
I am curious to see how it shakes out, but I think 7 years cost 9-plus. To get him at 7/ 7.5 would be 5 years max.

Again, my opinion only.
I'm calling a 2-3 year deal at 6-7.5. Perhaps with a big salary in the last year to raise the QO

The trend is that dubas and chia are dumb as rocks.

[ricardodw]

Honestly when you are watching a Flames game and they are down 3-2 with 10 minutes in the third are you not watching when Gaudreau (and secondary Monahan) are coming on the ice? and watching their every move.

You are also expecting Gio and Brodie to play 7 of the next 10 minutes.

At least I am.

Try telling me you are waiting for their shift to be over and get Tkachuk out there.

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I do understand that not all Game winning goals are equally important

but

Gaudreau 8
Monahan 5
Lindholm 5
Hathaway 5
Backlund 4
Frolik 4
Czarnik 3
Tkachuk 2 (tied with Gio, Hanifin and Bennett)

[Stay Golden]

What would the cap hit be if Tkachuk went short term 3 years 6.5m 2019, 7m 2020, 8m 2021. 7.16m ?

[oldschoolcalgary]

i'm thinking 5 years at 8 million... i'd be thrilled if he signed for less money or 6years at 8.

[dammage79]

I dont know, I don't think Tkachuk deserves more percentage of the cap than his out producing team mates. Regardless of the RFA thing this year. Within the team structure that tree has built theres no room for anything more. And just so we are clear, I'm not saying he needs to makes less than 6.75m a year. Im saying he needs to make less than the cap space percentage Monny and Johnny took at the time of their signing. So by my guesstimation, that should be around 7-7.5 give or take. Closer to 7 IMO.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You do realize that another team has to make up the offer sheet. Tkachuk just can't go to LA and say I want an offer sheet for 9x5

There is no benefit for a team to offer sheet him unless they actually think he is worth 11M year AND 4 first round picks or else the Flames just match.

Trouba wanted a 10M offer sheet from Boston. He held out and signed 2 year deal for 6M in 2016-17. Then the arbitrator gave him 5.5 to play his 6th year in Winnipeg. The Jets got a 1st round pick and a 24 year old 3M x 3 yr D-man for him.

Not easy for a player to mess with a team.

You do realize you were arguing the Flames should pay him no more than $5 million per year. That would be a pretty cheap offer sheet.

Or maybe you are changing your stance and now saying you would pay him more. Why else would you throw out this $11 million per year number?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I would be fine with a 2-4 year deal at 6-7.5
But why does Tkachuk do this over a 9x8 deal?

He doesn’t.

He wants to become a UFA as soon as possible.

Not necessarily to leave, but to give him the leverage to get an 8 year contract at that time.

He wants the shorter term, but not at less AAV.


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[tkflames]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The Flames have already offered him more than that.

Tkachuk doesn’t want that much term.


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Please provide link where the flames have offered more than $8M??

[BACKCHECK!!!]

If Tkachuk wants Toronto money, he can go ask Toronto for it.

They might have some difficulty clearing the cap space or trading the four 1st rounders for the privilege of paying him $9m+ per year, but I guess he thinks that somebody out there must be willing to do it.

If the kid is going to play hardball, the team should do it right back. I see no reason to offer him a penny more than the highest offer sheet he signs.

Because if his own team would rather have him sit than pay him $9m, and no other team will give up the four draft picks and clear out the players necessary to pay him $9m, then there are exactly zero hockey teams in the world willing to pay him $9m.

Tkachuk is worth whatever a team is willing to pay him. If he doesn't think it's worth his time to play for the Flames for $7m per year, he's more than welcome to get a different job that pays him what he feels he deserves.

[Gaskal]

If the Tkachuk camp is really willing to hold out, Treliving won't have a problem with it. He has some potential replacement players in case this starts to look like the Nylander situation. Kapanen reaped the benefits, I don't see why a PTO or an internal depth player couldn't do the same.

What my armchair GM brain expects he will do is put together a final "take it or leave it" offer and force the Tkachuk camp to make a decision quickly, or else he will withdraw it and sign one of the PTOs. Deadlines tend to drive these things.

How I imagine it going in the case of a camp holdout: he'll give it until a few days just before the start of the season and then bump the offer a modest amount, even if its only 10k in AAV. He'll say something like, "Ok here it is, I have a new contract offer here worth (let's say for the sake of argument 6x7=42), this offer is on the table for 48 hours. Although we love Matthew, if I don't hear an affirmative by then, I will assume that Chucky is not interested in starting the season on the Flames and must make the necessary roster changes in time to submit to the league."