Brad Treliving “surprised” Mangiapane isn’t signed

[Split98]

I mean... a few weeks ago during an already insane week I dinged up my 4-5 month old truck just a few days before a dog toy took out the new 65" I bought for round 1 last year (as if that wasn't the saddest TV already)... and I laughed hysterically.

I remember WISHING for something else to happen just to make this as apocalyptic as possible - then coming to my senses and moving on with my life.

So in that sense, I can understand wanting bad things to happen to things you like?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Brad Treliving likes these assumptions.

But comrade, easy on the union criticism.

I think speculating is fine for sure. But assuming anything from either side is a waste of time.

We don't know the Flames are inappropriately low balling, or forcing a two way contract, or insisting on huge term.

Likewise we don't have any inkling that Mangiapane's camp is being unreasonable.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think speculating is fine for sure. But assuming anything from either side is a waste of time.

We don't know the Flames are inappropriately low balling, or forcing a two way contract, or insisting on huge term.

Likewise we don't have any inkling that Mangiapane's camp is being unreasonable.

It's hard to see how they can be that far apart. It's possible they could disagree on term but to me, that is the one piece of leverage the player has in this case. He may only be interested in a 1 year deal to further prove himself.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I will laugh if Mangiapane gets an offersheet.

IMO Mangiapane is a good player and if he was given an offer sheet of over $1 million and an opportunity to play in the top 9, he would outperform that deal

[getbak]

Another comparable for Mangiapane...

Goldobin signs for one year at $900,000: https://www.nhl.com/canucks/news/van...in/c-308848952

He had 7G/20A in 63 games last season and 19G/27A in 124 games overall.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Rocco Grimaldi scored 5 goals in 53 games last year and just signed for a million bucks. He has 10 career goals.

Josh Ho-Sang just signed for 875 and he's a headache with 7 career goals.

Erikson-Ek has 2 seasons of 6 and 7 goals and just signed for 1.4x2

I'm just saying, the market comparables are there for Mangiapane. He's not off in the woods somewhere howling at the moon.

Fair. But you have no idea what Mangiapane is asking for and what Treliving has offered. He could be asking for 2mil for all we know... the point is you have no foundation to base your opinions in this case.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It's hard to see how they can be that far apart. It's possible they could disagree on term but to me, that is the one piece of leverage the player has in this case. He may only be interested in a 1 year deal to further prove himself.

And with only a half season under his belt the Flames could have a two way contract on the table. Gives them max flexibility in case Dube surpasses him and / or he has a rough camp.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by getbak

Another comparable for Mangiapane...

Goldobin signs for one year at $900,000: https://www.nhl.com/canucks/news/van...in/c-308848952

He had 7G/20A in 63 games last season and 19G/27A in 124 games overall.

That would leave about 6.85M for Tkachuk.

[Bingo]

I think the biggest discussion point in this bit of of news was the "plans to get under the cap" section.

Does that mean he has deals essentially worked out but is waiting to see what Tkachuk signs for in order to make sure he pulls the trigger on the right one? (Tkachuk goes bridge and maybe he only needs to move say Jankowski and can keep Frolik for example).

Or does it mean he has an idea of what he will start working on depending on the deal Tkachuk signs?

As a process guy that always talks about keeping in touch on what teams are doing and needing I'd assume it's the first one. I've always assumed he has something essentially close to done but is waiting.

[Skyceman]

IF Mang is the one holding out for more then that's a pretty big gamble. He is still a fringe player and not a lock. I don't see Brad moving up to meet demands and once camp starts his spot could be at stake.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think the biggest discussion point in this bit of of news was the "plans to get under the cap" section.

Does that mean he has deals essentially worked out but is waiting to see what Tkachuk signs for in order to make sure he pulls the trigger on the right one? (Tkachuk goes bridge and maybe he only needs to move say Jankowski and can keep Frolik for example).

Or does it mean he has an idea of what he will start working on depending on the deal Tkachuk signs?

As a process guy that always talks about keeping in touch on what teams are doing and needing I'd assume it's the first one. I've always assumed he has something essentially close to done but is waiting.

I didn't hear the talk, but I sure hope you are right on your assumption. This offseason is prematurely aging me more so than others and I'm just not that young anymore.

[Corral]

i certainly hope they sign Tkachuk to a bridge deal that is below the Giordano cap, and tell him to go wherever he wants on the next deal for as much as some fool will pay him. Use the extra cash to sign the essential extra pieces to build a champion and go for it in the next three years. You want to sign someone to a 9 to 10 mil AAV - sign a true superstar. Tkachuk is good and an important cog in the Flames machine, but he is not a true superstar.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think the biggest discussion point in this bit of of news was the "plans to get under the cap" section.

Does that mean he has deals essentially worked out but is waiting to see what Tkachuk signs for in order to make sure he pulls the trigger on the right one? (Tkachuk goes bridge and maybe he only needs to move say Jankowski and can keep Frolik for example).

Or does it mean he has an idea of what he will start working on depending on the deal Tkachuk signs?

As a process guy that always talks about keeping in touch on what teams are doing and needing I'd assume it's the first one. I've always assumed he has something essentially close to done but is waiting.

It's just hard for me to imagine other GM's giving Treliving some kind of marker that he gets to cash in whenever he's ready. Let's say the deal is Jankowski for a draft pick. Wouldn't the other GM prefer to have him for training camp? What if Tkachuk is not signed by regular season start? What if a better deal comes along for the other team?

We know there aren't many teams with ability to absorb cap space, so what if they are able to agree on a max term deal for Tkachuk at big money and they need to move out $3 million plus?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Brad Treliving likes these assumptions.

But comrade, easy on the union criticism.

Sorry guys, I was making an extreme comment without facts. It was so blatant I assumed sarcasm would be easily detected and that green text was not needed... apologies.

[TheKurgan]

Maybe the Flames are offering a 2 way deal, and Mangiapane is insisting on a one way. I could see that keeping Mangiapane's camp from wanting to sign.

[Erick Estrada]

IMO this is an important training camp for Mangiapane. He needs to have a good camp to solidify a spot on the 3rd line and I'm not sure it's worth missing training camp for a few hundred thousand dollars (speculation by me) because in the bigger picture he could set himself up for millions in the future with a good camp and start to the season.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It's just hard for me to imagine other GM's giving Treliving some kind of marker that he gets to cash in whenever he's ready. Let's say the deal is Jankowski for a draft pick. Wouldn't the other GM prefer to have him for training camp? What if Tkachuk is not signed by regular season start? What if a better deal comes along for the other team?

We know there aren't many teams with ability to absorb cap space, so what if they are able to agree on a max term deal for Tkachuk at big money and they need to move out $3 million plus?

That's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying he's tested the value on a few different players in order to find some potential homes and probable returns and has a pretty good idea of what he can get done once the Tkachuk deal is done.

[dino7c]

Nobody is gonna offer sheet this guy get real...if they are offering 800k+ he should take it. Want more? Prove you are an everyday NHLer for starters.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think the biggest discussion point in this bit of of news was the "plans to get under the cap" section.

Does that mean he has deals essentially worked out but is waiting to see what Tkachuk signs for in order to make sure he pulls the trigger on the right one? (Tkachuk goes bridge and maybe he only needs to move say Jankowski and can keep Frolik for example).

Or does it mean he has an idea of what he will start working on depending on the deal Tkachuk signs?

As a process guy that always talks about keeping in touch on what teams are doing and needing I'd assume it's the first one. I've always assumed he has something essentially close to done but is waiting.

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying he's tested the value on a few different players in order to find some potential homes and probable returns and has a pretty good idea of what he can get done once the Tkachuk deal is done.

I guess we are defining "essentially done" a little differently. I was simply stating some of the complications in testing the market today vs. when a Tkachuk deal gets done.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I guess we are defining "essentially done" a little differently. I was simply stating some of the complications in testing the market today vs. when a Tkachuk deal gets done.

Yeah that's on me. Certainly implies what you took from it, but it wasn't my intention.

I'm just saying the guy is known to be dogged and thorough so I'm guessing he has a multiple option plan in the works that will get him cap compliant.

He certainly not just picking up the phone in two weeks when Tkachuk signs and starting the process then.

In all fairness though you did omit the word "close" which is key.