[News] UPD: NHL and NHLPA are working on deal to amend and extend CBA until 2025

[sureLoss]

All eyes now turn to the PA whose option to end the CBA in 2020 expires on September 15, 2019

NHL's deadline for their option is September 1, 2019


Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Based on progressive discussions with the NHLPA, expect the NHL to announce within a day or two it’s intent to decline its option to re-open the CBA.

News Update

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
The NHL has formally notified the NHLPA that it will not re-open the CBA. Deadline to do so was this weekend. The player window to re-open runs through Sept. 15.

update:

The Hockey News is reporting that the Players' deadline might be extended to Jan 1 and that both sides are working on a deal to amend and extend the current CBA to 2025

https://thehockeynews.com/news/artic...-be-on-horizon

To assume this will lead to a new agreement would be putting the cart miles ahead of the horse, but there is legitimate reason for optimism that this will indeed lead to the league and the players to extending the current agreement and ensuring labor peace until the end of the 2024-25 season.

Here’s why: because the NHL and the NHL Players’ Association are reportedly already elbow-deep in negotiations. The league’s decision not to opt out clearly puts the ball in the players’ court, since they now have until Sept. 15 to make their decision on the matter. But a good number of signs point to the two sides agreeing to extend the players’ deadline by a couple of months, perhaps to Jan. 1. In the meantime, the two sides would continue to negotiate an extension to the current deal, one that would likely run three more years beyond the current 2022 expiry date.

Article also says the plans on how to mitigate escrow will be released Tuesday.

[Moneyhands23]

If both sides decline does that mean an extension has been or well be reached?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

If both sides decline does that mean an extension has been or well be reached?

It means the current CBA will stay in effect until its scheduled end in 2022.

This is the one chance either side has to end the CBA early.

ARTICLE 3
DURATION OF AGREEMENT

3.1 Term.

(a) This Agreement is effective retroactive to September 16, 2012 (the "Effective Date"), and shall remain in full force and effect until midnight New York time on September 15, 2022, and shall remain in effect from year to year thereafter unless and until either party shall deliver to the other a written notice of termination of this Agreement at least 120 days prior to September 15, 2022 or not less than a like period in any year thereafter.

(b) Notwithstanding anything to the contrary set forth in subparagraph 3.1(a), either party shall have the right to terminate this Agreement effective midnight September 15, 2020 ("early termination") by providing notice as specified hereafter.

(i) The NHL may exercise its option for early termination by delivery of written notification to the NHLPA of its election to do so on or before September 1, 2019.

(ii) If the NHL has not already done so, the NHLPA may exercise its option for early termination by delivery of written notification to the NHL of its election to do so on or before September 15, 2019.

[HitterD]

Maybe a dumb question, but if either side does take the option to end the CBS early, does that potentially put the start of this season in jeopardy?

Edit: I see now that Getback added the link that the termination would effect next season not this season. Thank you

[getbak]

Originally Posted by HitterD

Maybe a dumb question, but if either side does take the option to end the CBS early, does that potentially put the start of this season in jeopardy?

This season? No. The earliest we could see a work stoppage would be next September.

[sureLoss]

I think it is very likely the PA will exercise their option.

As getbak noted, if the PA does not exercise their option, the CBA will stay in effect until 2022 and any changes to the CBA before then will only occur if the PA and NHL can agree on changes.

If the PA wants there changes to go through, they need to end current CBA to put pressure on the NHL to accept their proposed changes. Otherwise the NHL can sit back and say we will wait until 2022.

[1qqaaz]

But then why didn't the players go to the olympics

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

If the PA declines its option, and a lockout results, won't that be the first time it's happened that way? My recall is that previous CBAs just expired, and nobody triggered an option to have them end early.

If that's the case, this might be the first lockout where the PA starts out as the "bad guys" who are clearly "to blame" for there being no hockey. That's a whole different thing than previously.

[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I think it is very likely the PA will exercise their option.

As getbak noted, if the PA does not exercise their option, the CBA will stay in effect until 2022 and any changes to the CBA before then will only occur if the PA and NHL can agree on changes.

If the PA wants there changes to go through, they need to end current CBA to put pressure on the NHL to accept their proposed changes. Otherwise the NHL can sit back and say we will wait until 2022.

I don't think the players will opt-out. They do not want another work stoppage. The last two work stoppages were lockouts because the owners wanted more, not strikes. The players are ticked-off about escrow and misplayed their hand with respect to the Olympics, but I just don't see them striking.

[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

If the PA declines its option, and a lockout results, won't that be the first time it's happened that way? My recall is that previous CBAs just expired, and nobody triggered an option to have them end early.

If that's the case, this might be the first lockout where the PA starts out as the "bad guys" who are clearly "to blame" for there being no hockey. That's a whole different thing than previously.

They can't. If the NHL and the NHLPA both don't opt-out, the CBA is in force until 2022 and the CBA bans strikes and lockouts.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

If the PA declines its option, and a lockout results, won't that be the first time it's happened that way? My recall is that previous CBAs just expired, and nobody triggered an option to have them end early.

If that's the case, this might be the first lockout where the PA starts out as the "bad guys" who are clearly "to blame" for there being no hockey. That's a whole different thing than previously.

With the last CBA, the original term was until 2011, but the PA alone had the option of either terminating it 2 years early in 2009 (which they declined) or extending it by a year to 2012 (which they did). The last CBA worked well for the players, so they wanted to keep it going as long as they could.

The league didn't have the option to end the last CBA early, otherwise, they may have chosen to do so.


I'm not sure what the pre-2004 CBA said.

[Geeoff]

Every time they negotiate, the NHLPA's % of HRR goes down. They're probably gonna wanna keep things as they are until after Seattle expansion

[sureLoss]

now official

News Update

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
The NHL has formally notified the NHLPA that it will not re-open the CBA. Deadline to do so was this weekend. The player window to re-open runs through Sept. 15.

[sureLoss]

Looks like they might extend NHLPAs deadline:

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
The players' executive committee -- and others who wish to attend -- meets Wednesday in Chicago. There is believed to be momentum in talks. It is possible that if a deal cannot be done by the 15th, both sides will agree to move the NHLPA's deadline to later date

[MissTeeks]

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

If the PA declines its option, and a lockout results, won't that be the first time it's happened that way? My recall is that previous CBAs just expired, and nobody triggered an option to have them end early.

If that's the case, this might be the first lockout where the PA starts out as the "bad guys" who are clearly "to blame" for there being no hockey. That's a whole different thing than previously.

Not really. The PA launched a player's strike in 1992. And certainly in 2004-05, they were the villains right from the start, even if it was the owners who padlocked the doors.

[TheIronMaiden]

I don't know much about it.

What would be the issue from this CBA that NHLPA might have?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I don't know much about it.

What would be the issue from this CBA that NHLPA might have?

Escrow and Olympic participation for sure. Maybe trying to get a bigger slice of hockey related revenue.

[sureLoss]

Not sure if they will be able to get more than the 50/50 split. The more likely outcome is that the players will push for HRR to be re-defined to include more sources of revenue.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Not sure if they will be able to get more than the 50/50 split. The more likely outcome is that the players will push for HRR to be re-defined to include more sources of revenue.

What sources of revenues do you think the PA can realistically request?

No way will the owners give them a piece of the expansion fee from Seattle.

Gambling revenues maybe?