I hope none of your coworkers are wearing a dress shirt and tie with no jacket though.
It would happen all the time.
Genuinely curious, is that considered a style faux pas? Does the jacket need to be a sport coat/blazer or is something like a pea coat or Harrington jacket sufficient in your opinion?
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Genuinely curious, is that considered a style faux pas? Does the jacket need to be a sport coat/blazer or is something like a pea coat or Harrington jacket sufficient in your opinion?
A massive faux pas. It looks ridiculous.
I think that a sports coat or blazer looks best with a tie, but depending on the tie you could get away with wearing a cardigan or casual jacket.
But no, the worst look is a shiny silk tie with just a dress shirt.
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I mean yeah, shiny silk ties are fairly formal. To my eye, I don't see anything wrong with wearing a shawl collar cardigan with a wool tie.
What about wearing a tie underneath a wool sweater and no jacket? What about jeans and a tie?
Well, I typically don't wear a tie ever and when I do it is either a silk knit or silk grenadine with a sport coat.
I tihnk that a tie underneath a sweater looks fine, and I used to go for that look a lot when I was younger - same with a knit tie and a really thick, shawl-collar cardigan.
I would never wear a tie with jeans.
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Well, it's Tie Tuesday at the office and I made sure to wear a cardigan as well. It's usually tropical levels of heat in here, but I'm gonna power through it just so I could be the style king amongst my peers.
reading this thread has gotten me all self conscious about my style. I'm an engineer, so most of my time, I spend wearing business casual (pants from Zara or chino's from J.Crew; shirts from BR or Brooks Brothers). I usually only buy stuff that's on sale, because I can't justify spending over $100 for an item of clothing.
On the weekends, I prefer to wear joggers (lululemon, nike techfleece, zanerobes) with sneakers (ultraboost, airmax, jordans) or shorts (chino or jean shorts) paired with a tshirt (usually some sort of print or nike dri-fit). I dress in more leisurely clothing on the weekends because it's easier chasing around 2 kids.
I am 35, and I feel like I'm kind of in a weird age, where I'm either dressed too young, or I look super old if I dress in something more age appropriate. I hate shopping because I can never find something that I feel stylish in, and I hate spending money on clothes. I've been wanting to get a sportcoat/blazer for work, but everything I've tried on is either 1) ill fitting; 2) way out of my price range; or 3) makes me look 10 years older.
The stores that I like to shop in are Zara, J.Crew factory outlet (prices are more reasonable). I find that Club Monaco never quite fits me right, and BR can be hit or miss. Their pants don't quite fit me (too baggy) and the shirts are too slim.
reading this thread has gotten me all self conscious about my style. I'm an engineer, so most of my time, I spend wearing business casual (pants from Zara or chino's from J.Crew; shirts from BR or Brooks Brothers). I usually only buy stuff that's on sale, because I can't justify spending over $100 for an item of clothing.
On the weekends, I prefer to wear joggers (lululemon, nike techfleece, zanerobes) with sneakers (ultraboost, airmax, jordans) or shorts (chino or jean shorts) paired with a tshirt (usually some sort of print or nike dri-fit). I dress in more leisurely clothing on the weekends because it's easier chasing around 2 kids.
I am 35, and I feel like I'm kind of in a weird age, where I'm either dressed too young, or I look super old if I dress in something more age appropriate. I hate shopping because I can never find something that I feel stylish in, and I hate spending money on clothes. I've been wanting to get a sportcoat/blazer for work, but everything I've tried on is either 1) ill fitting; 2) way out of my price range; or 3) makes me look 10 years older.
The stores that I like to shop in are Zara, J.Crew factory outlet (prices are more reasonable). I find that Club Monaco never quite fits me right, and BR can be hit or miss. Their pants don't quite fit me (too baggy) and the shirts are too slim.
I'm in the same boat in terms of age. I find that if I go out in a t-shirt I look sloppy, but a lot of "older clothes" are too old fashioned.
The trick is to find a few mid-tier brands that fit you well. Personally, I like Nudie and Scotch and Soda. These are European casual brands. They are generally more fitted.
I would recommend checking out Gravity Pope and, believe it or not, the Bay. The Bay has done a large overhaul of their men's section. They also have a lot of sales on stuff, and you can grab some of these mid-tier brands for 50+% off. Both stores will have lots of options in the casual to business casual range. There's actually a fairly large market with lots of options for late 20s to mid-40s men.
Just find a uniform that works for you. My standard weekend uniform is a denim or chambray shirt with jeans or cords. That's what I wear 95% of the time.
I think that a sports coat or blazer looks best with a tie, but depending on the tie you could get away with wearing a cardigan or casual jacket.
But no, the worst look is a shiny silk tie with just a dress shirt.
I don't think it's a total faux-pas. It's just difficult to pull off. People who are slim and fit with a thinner tie, look pretty good.
Men's jackets are shaped in a way to give the body that V-shape...IE make us look less fat. However, if you are slimmer, you are less dependent on the jacket for that form.
reading this thread has gotten me all self conscious about my style. I'm an engineer, so most of my time, I spend wearing business casual (pants from Zara or chino's from J.Crew; shirts from BR or Brooks Brothers). I usually only buy stuff that's on sale, because I can't justify spending over $100 for an item of clothing.
On the weekends, I prefer to wear joggers (lululemon, nike techfleece, zanerobes) with sneakers (ultraboost, airmax, jordans) or shorts (chino or jean shorts) paired with a tshirt (usually some sort of print or nike dri-fit). I dress in more leisurely clothing on the weekends because it's easier chasing around 2 kids.
I am 35, and I feel like I'm kind of in a weird age, where I'm either dressed too young, or I look super old if I dress in something more age appropriate. I hate shopping because I can never find something that I feel stylish in, and I hate spending money on clothes. I've been wanting to get a sportcoat/blazer for work, but everything I've tried on is either 1) ill fitting; 2) way out of my price range; or 3) makes me look 10 years older.
The stores that I like to shop in are Zara, J.Crew factory outlet (prices are more reasonable). I find that Club Monaco never quite fits me right, and BR can be hit or miss. Their pants don't quite fit me (too baggy) and the shirts are too slim.
As long as your clothing is clean, not ill fitting, presentable (not dirty or overly wrinkly) and a jarring outlier to what is worn by the average individual in the industry, you're probably OK and you don't need to worry about being self conscious about how you look/whether you're dressing your age for regular work wear. Some people get weird about wearing the same stuff over and over, but if you have around 8-10 tops and bottoms to mix and match, I don't really think it's a big issue at all as you'd have enough variance in your look from week to week.
If the above stores are where you usually shop, I highly recommend you regularly peruse Nordstrom Rack as well as Saks on 5th by Market (generally better selection and deals than Cross Irons IMO) and look for stuff you like that's a price point you are happy with.
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I too hate spending money on clothes and I rarely buy anything that isn't on clearance. I generally casually peruse certain stores and I will acquire something nice if it's a good deal. My most expensive regular work pieces are from Lulu and Kit and Ace which I generally buy when the discount is good and near maximum anyways. I think I paid approx $120 for the pants from both and about $60 max for the shirts and sweaters from Kit and Ace (paired it up with friends and family discounts). My most expensive dress belts I think I paid $50 for my belts at Brooks Brothers on sale, one of which was nice enough to wear for my own wedding.
Beyond that, I don't think I have spent more than $50-60 bucks on dress pants (all Calvin Klein) or $40 for dress shirts and polos. I don't dress like a bum as I generally buy them on major discount or the clearance rack from The Bay, Saks on 5th, Nordstrom and Club Monaco (yup, most expensive piece was $40 and I have two, might have been pricing errors though...).
Casual stuff still meets this criteria. The most expensive casual pants I own are the Levi's 541 which I paid $55 each. I've never paid more than $30 for a shirt because I buy polos from places like Banana or shirts from Uniqlo (which has a fantastic selection of comfy and durable shirts for around $15).
I also hate spending money on shoes. I have only two pairs of shoes that were purchased for more than $80-90. One is a pair of Ferragamos that was a gift from my wife. The other is a pair of To Boot New Yorks that I got for around $150 from Nordstrom Rack (I saw a pair of really nice Allen Edmonds at Nordstrom Rack in my size for $180 once and I still kick myself to this day for not pulling the trigger on that ridiculous deal). Most of my shoes (dress shoes included) average around $50 for Nike, Adidas, Steve Madden and my Cole Haan and Pegabo being at the $80-90 ish range.
Sometimes I do feel slightly under dressed at work when I realize my combined ensemble (shirt, pants, belt, socks and shoes) were purchased for around or less than $150, but I also know that if I had not gotten the deals that I did, it would have cost nearly twice that. I think my most expensive ensemble is around $350 in clothing ($120 pants, $60 shirt, $55 Belt, $90 shoes, $5 socks, maybe a sweater in the winter $30-40). I don't wear a tie or suit jacket/blazer at work, though I've flirted with the idea of buying a vest to slightly upscale the dress shirt and dress pants look.
An entire wardrobe doesn't have to break the bank either. My entire clothing wardrobe of everything I wear I believe I paid around $6000 or so which I am pretty happy about. Replacing it with all the same stuff would probably cost 2-3 times that amount right now because of how crazy some of the deals were. Half of that is the cost of formal clothing though. Keep in mind this wardrobe I accumulated over the last decade or so after my now wife decided I needed a fashion make over and TBH, I have too may clothes now and I probably need to trim my wardrobe by around 30-40%. My entire wardrobe includes something like:
- 3 bespoke suits I paid around $800 on average (Boss, Zegna cloth, Canary
and including the tailoring cost)
- Ferragamo shoes which were around $600 (gift).
- 7 pairs of Jeans from Levi's total cost around $250 total for all 7 of them.
- 3 pairs of CK dress pants and a pair of BR Chinos which were around $50 a pair on average.
- 12 pieces from Kit and Ace/Lulu which were purchased at a total of $900 (friends and family discount is awesome at Kit and Ace; cost mainly due to 4 pairs of pants around $120 ish each)
- A dozen dress shirts acquired for on average around $30-40
- 20 shirts (casual, polo etc.) acquired on for on average around $20-30
- A dozen pairs of shorts for around $20 on average
- Socks, probably $30 a year on average to replace worn ones and add new styles.
- Belts: 2 x $55 ish, rest around $20-30 each.
- Shoes: a dozen pairs purchased for on average around $50 a pair
- Ties: I think I have 2. $50 ish at the Bay each.
I think I need to start trimming my wardrobe by 10-15% each year and only adding around 5% back for the next few years.
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I'm in the same boat in terms of age. I find that if I go out in a t-shirt I look sloppy, but a lot of "older clothes" are too old fashioned.
The trick is to find a few mid-tier brands that fit you well. Personally, I like Nudie and Scotch and Soda. These are European casual brands. They are generally more fitted.
I would recommend checking out Gravity Pope and, believe it or not, the Bay. The Bay has done a large overhaul of their men's section. They also have a lot of sales on stuff, and you can grab some of these mid-tier brands for 50+% off. Both stores will have lots of options in the casual to business casual range. There's actually a fairly large market with lots of options for late 20s to mid-40s men.
I am in the same age range as well. The brands you recommended aren't my typical go to though, but it's not like either of us are in the fashion faux pas range (at least I don't think so).
I will agree with the Bay, but I'd also suggest Nordstrom & Nordstrom Rack and Saks on 5th (market) which I find are often not as well traveled as some other clothing stores. There's some amazing discounts to be had there that put it in the same range as Banana/J Crew which is a reason why I started shopping in those stores less over the years. Banana doesn't discount their stuff as heavily/regularly as Nordstrom Rack and Saks on 5th, so I find I'm spending nearly the same amount, but walking away with nicer stuff on a regular basis. It does take a bit of patience though as there isn't always something I deem worthwhile in acquiring every time I go. Sometimes I don't add anything new for 8-10 months.
Honestly speaking, part of being an adult is not working what is adult and childish. Beyond that, as long as the clothing is not horribly baggy and crazy colors/designs, just go with what fits well and is comfortable IMO. I actually find that some of the stuff that adults are worried about are actually perfect things to wear (Not for work, I meant casually). Nerd culture is so in right now. That custom Nick Overman shirt or that Star Wars T-shirt is IMO totally acceptable even up to a silver fox age. Tons of people are doing it. Display your personality proud. Wearing what everyone else is wearing is average and totally boring.
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BR can be hit or miss. Their pants don't quite fit me (too baggy) and the shirts are too slim.
Seriously! What is with that?
I'm not super fit, but I also don't have a beer gut. I feel like a sausage in most of their shirts, but their slim fit pants are pretty baggy; way too baggy to match their shirts.
Pick a lane Banana Republic.
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Seriously! What is with that?
I'm not super fit, but I also don't have a beer gut. I feel like a sausage in most of their shirts, but their slim fit pants are pretty baggy; way too baggy to match their shirts.
Pick a lane Banana Republic.
Amen, brother. The only shirts that fit me at Banana Republic are the "Standard fit", but the arms are baggy.
I've given up on them and get my shirts from Brooks Brothers. I found BR shirts usually ripped at the elbows after about a year.
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BR stuff used to be good. Then they changed the fit of their shirts and pants and now they kind of suck. I can no longer order online from them because I find there’s not even any consistency. Sucks because their clothes used to fit me quite well off the rack and I have a very tough time finding good fitting dress clothes.
P12 I don’t know what you do for a living but I feel like you could make a living as a personal shopper or something. Do you have a good personality? Maybe you should launch a reality show where you help clueless men dress themselves.
P12 I don’t know what you do for a living but I feel like you could make a living as a personal shopper or something. Do you have a good personality? Maybe you should launch a reality show where you help clueless men dress themselves.
Haha and my ego grew three times that day.
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