Mama had a baby and her head popped off

[Wookie]

OMG - spit all over my screen.. CLASSIC!!

[Looger]

laugh it up.

if anyone thinks that this kind of insanity stops in iraq and that there aren't movements afoot to spread this kind of 'justice' wherever and whenever is 'required',

i say good luck to you and enjoy 'your' 'victory'.

[Wookie]

Originally Posted by fotze

My victory? It is horrid and ridiculous and bizarre deserving of a ridiculous children's rhyme. I don't even want t think of all the things that are fataed in this story.

Yeah, I was having a laugh at Fotze's "classic fotze" sense of humour/thread postings.

This is no reflection of my political beliefs or support of the death penalty. Back to talking about chiks where I can't get into trouble

[Flames_Gimp]

video?

kidding...

[FlamesAddiction]

The people doing this are the people who were put into power in Iraq. Sure makes you think about their future.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by fotze

My victory? It is horrid and ridiculous and bizarre deserving of a ridiculous children's rhyme. I don't even want t think of all the things that are fataed in this story.

was more of a pre-emptive shot at all our resident message-board chest-thumpers, not as much a shot at you. guess i should have qualified it.

such manly men around here you know, such bravery.

[Frank the Tank]

How can they give him too much rope? Wouldn't they at least weigh him beforehand and determine if he needs five feet of rope instead of eight? Its not hard to figure out is it?

[ken0042]

I can see where this might happen. IIRC when you are hung the intended cause of death is a broken neck; not strangulation. At least in an execution- sometimes with a suicide the cause of death is strangulation.

Now; I've never had to calculate it before; but it could stand to reason that there might be a fine line between snapping the vertebrae; and the amount of force required for the head to come off.

[Flash Walken]

this thread is effing classic.

I immediately knew what this thread was about from the title.

guffaw

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by fotze

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/...ons/index.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A journalist who saw videotape of the Monday hangings of Saddam Hussein's half-brother and the dictator's former chief judge has described how one of the men was decapitated.

New York Times reporter John F. Burns told CNN's Wolf Blitzer Monday evening that Barzan Hassan al-Tikriti's head "just snapped off," because he was apparently given too much rope and fell too far -- about eight feet -- for a man of his medium build and weight.

In the golden days of chopping off heads in Europe, with large family-oriented crowds cheering enthusiastically, there would have been a gaggle of scientists immediately rushing forward to grab the head, wanting to determine how long the head retained consciousness after being separated from the body. The scientists would even try to get the head to talk to them.

At one time there were roughly 38 hanging offenses in Britain, including "writing on Westminster Bridge."

A good link on hanging, including the formula for determining the "long drop" which would cause fairly instant death without decapitation.

http://www.richard.clark32.btinterne.../hanging1.html

Cowperson

[Wookie]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

In the golden days of chopping off heads in Europe, with large family-oriented crowds cheering enthusiastically, there would have been a gaggle of scientists immediately rushing forward to grab the head, wanting to determine how long the head retained consciousness after being separated from the body. The scientists would even try to get the head to talk to them.

At one time there were roughly 38 hanging offenses in Britain, including "writing on Westminster Bridge."

A good link on hanging, including the formula for determining the "long drop" which would cause fairly instant death without decapitation.

http://www.richard.clark32.btinterne.../hanging1.html

Cowperson

Imagine having a few seconds to realize you were headless, and to have those few seconds taken up by some scientists picking up your head and trying to talk to you.. wow, that gives me some serious shivers

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

How can they give him too much rope? Wouldn't they at least weigh him beforehand and determine if he needs five feet of rope instead of eight? Its not hard to figure out is it?

The same reason much of Iraq is really screwed right now. When the Americans came in, they destroyed all the infrastructure and people and replaced them with those with no experience and who didn't know how to do the jobs properly.

That probably includes the hangmen and prison officials...Back when they still hung people in Britain (up to the early 60s I believe), they had it down to a science.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

How can they give him too much rope? Wouldn't they at least weigh him beforehand and determine if he needs five feet of rope instead of eight? Its not hard to figure out is it?

I'm sure you saw the video of the Big Cheese getting his ultimate comeuppance. It didn't give the impression that things are running smoothly at the Baghdad Death House.

What a circus.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I'm sure you saw the video of the Big Cheese getting his ultimate comeuppance. It didn't give the impression that things are running smoothly at the Baghdad Death House.

What a circus.

Actually no I didn't. I can't watch things like that. But I read about it and it sounded pretty amatuer.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

Actually no I didn't. I can't watch things like that. But I read about it and it sounded pretty amatuer.

Normally I can't watch things like that either, but it wasn't gruesome or anything so I did. By far the most disturbing part is the audio. You can't understand a word they are saying or anything, but the tone of the voices and just the anger in there, yikes. It's spooky.

[Flashpoint]

If you want the take of a young Iraqi woman in Baghdad:

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

It's official. Maliki and his people are psychopaths. This really is a new low. It's outrageous- an execution during Eid. Muslims all over the world (with the exception of Iran) are outraged. Eid is a time of peace, of putting aside quarrels and anger- at least for the duration of Eid.

This does not bode well for the coming year. No one imagined the madmen would actually do it during a religious holiday. It is religiously unacceptable and before, it was constitutionally illegal. We thought we'd at least get a few days of peace and some time to enjoy the Eid holiday, which coincides with the New Year this year. We've spent the first two days of a holy holiday watching bits and pieces of a sordid lynching.

America the savior… After nearly four years and Bush's biggest achievement in Iraq has been a lynching. Bravo Americans.

She's thrilled to be "liberated".

[Looger]

for anyone that thinks the invasion of iraq was aboot targeting islamic extremism, i ask this one question:

why is iraq now drifting towards nutso theocracratic sectarian and religious violence when it was arguably the most secular country in the mideast?

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Looger

for anyone that thinks the invasion of iraq was aboot targeting islamic extremism, i ask this one question:

why is iraq now drifting towards nutso theocracratic sectarian and religious violence when it was arguably the most secular country in the mideast?

It was clearly never about that--and you don't need the evidence of today's socieal degeneration to prove it. All you need is to point to the fact that Saddam was a largely secular tyrant. In Osama bin Laden's caliphate, Saddam would have been one of the first against the wall.

Saddam was also a lunatic and a sadist, but that's another story.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

It was clearly never about that--and you don't need the evidence of today's socieal degeneration to prove it. All you need is to point to the fact that Saddam was a largely secular tyrant. In Osama bin Laden's caliphate, Saddam would have been one of the first against the wall.

Saddam was also a lunatic and a sadist, but that's another story.

Well, secular in our part of the world is certainly a different thing than secular in the Muslim world. You can google any number of Saddam speeches and find they all look like this one, a guy clearly pandering to the religious crowd. Read the whole thing . . . it wasn't an uncommon raving for him during his reign. In fact, most of his speeches look like this one (two pages):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,877046,00.html

Google "Saddam, speeches, Allah, God" and you'll get pages of the stuff.

Its also very similar to what you see from President Mushareff of Pakistan, another guy that people on our side of the pond see as some kind of secularist.

Also, if you can find a speech from Saddam where he talks in a secular manner about women's rights, freedom of religion, etc, then please post it.

Deeds are different than words of course and it might be said that Saddam's Iraq was certainly more secular when compared to other Muslim countries in the region . . . . but probably no where near what we would term secular.


I'm sure you saw the video of the Big Cheese getting his ultimate comeuppance. It didn't give the impression that things are running smoothly at the Baghdad Death House.

What a circus. - RougeUnderoos

Drop tables - the formula to avoid decapitation - can be found anywhere on the net . . . . one assumes the executioners in Iraq didn't care or were to stupid to think someone could lose their heads on a long drop.

For amusement, a description in The Times in 1868 of the last execution at Tyburn, England, that of Michael Barrett, convicted of causing an explosion at Clerkenwell:

" . . . . the mass of people was immense . . . . Now and then there was great laughter as a girl fainted and was passed out hand over hand above the heads of the mob and then there came a scuffle and a fight, and then a hymn, and then a sermon, and then a comic song and so on from hour to hour . . .

"With the first sound of the bells came a great hungry roar from the crowd outside and a loud, continuted shout of "Hat's Off" till the whole dense bareheaded mass stood white and ghastly-looking in the morning sun, and the pressure on the barriers increased so that the girls and women in the front rank began to scream and struggle to get free.

"Barrett walked up cooly and boldly . . . There was a partial burst of cheers which was instantly accompanied by loud hisses and so it remained for some seconds till as the last moment approached the roars dwindled down to a dead silence . . .

"It is worthy to remark that a great cry rose from the crowd as the cuprit fell . . a cry which was neither an exclamation nor a scream but it partook of the sound of both. With the fall of the drop the crowd began to disperse, but an immense mass waited till the time for cutting down came . . . .

Further, it wasn't unusual to throw garbage, dead animals, dung and other stuff at the condemned. A favourite song to sing was "Oh My, Think I've Got To Die." Execution days were a public holiday.

Samuel Pepys attended one execution and claimed a crowd of "12,000 to 14,000" at one execution day.

Charles Dickens attended hanging executions in England and said:

"Nobody cared or was at all affected. There was no manifestation of disgust or pity or indignation or sorrow."

"The horrors of the gibbet and of the crime which brought the wretched murderers to it faded in my mind before the atrocious bearing, looks and language of the assembled spectators . . .

When the day dawned thieves, low prostitutes, ruffieans and vagabonds of every kind of flock on the ground, with every variety of offensive and foul behaviour . . . . When the sun rose brightly it gilded thousands and thousands of upturned faces, so inexpressibly odious in their brutal mirth or callousness that a man had cause to feel ashamed of the shape he wore."

Cowperson

[Looger]

saddam had plenty of god in his speeches but then so does gw bush.

regardless of that the operation of iraqi government was VERY secular.

tariq aziz, the #2 man and the premier iraqi statesman, is a christian...

this is why iraq had to go, too advanced of a society for the liking of the powers that be who prefer their arabs backwards and balkanized.

EDIT: saddam speech aboot women's rights?

why overlook the fact that more than 50% of iraq's university grads were women? pretty out-of-step with all those backwards arab countries, who by the way are our 'buddies' over there. something to remember when justifying the invasion post-humously.