08-14-2019, 09:51 PM
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The Hockey News: Flames' Five-Year Forecast
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Even with Tkachuk unsigned right now, the Flames are in a good spot. Three players are currently signed until 2023-24 – Backlund, Lindholm and Hanifin – and Milan Lucic, TJ Brodie and Travis Hamonic’s expensive deals will be off the books by then. It’s rare to see a contending team have the prospect pool the Flames possess, but that might be what helps keep their championship window open for a few extra years.
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The author is spitballing for sure. Not sure about Wolf as backup (granted Big Save Dave was once less-heralded). I would've had Parsons in there.
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08-14-2019, 09:56 PM
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It’s rare to see a contending team have the prospect pool the Flames possess, but that might be what helps keep their championship window open for a few extra years.
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Pronman: Flames have #31-ranked farm system in NHL
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08-14-2019, 10:05 PM
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Hard to project that far for sure, but I'd be surprised if Mangiapane hadn't moved up from being a fixture on the 4th line 5 years from now.
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08-14-2019, 10:36 PM
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08-15-2019, 08:37 AM
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Crash and Bang Winger
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He did a pretty good job I think. couple things I would change, as others have mentioned, I think Parsons is more likely backup at that point, I think Mangiapane will for sure be playing at least third line (I'd switch him with Ruzicka in the lineup) and I think we still have Hamonic by then (especially because we will probably lose Kylington in the expansion draft). It's tough to project the defense mostly because I have no idea how much Gio will decline but I could see two options by then.
Hanifin - Valimaki
Giordano - Andersson
Kylington (if here) - Hamonic
or
Valimaki/Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki/Hanifin - Hamonic
Giordano - Kylington/someone else
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08-15-2019, 08:53 AM
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Travis Hamonic’s “expensive” deal. Give me a break. Guy isn’t even making 4 mil, and he deserves much more than that imo. Would be better worded as inexpensive.
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08-15-2019, 10:10 AM
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Nice to see a positive spin after Wilson and Pronman negative jabs.
Maybe our fanbase can cheer up. Sort of like a team that just scored the most in the west last season.
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08-15-2019, 10:25 AM
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Norm!
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I might not be alive in 5 years, so a lot of this is meh.
Frankly I think that because of the nature of prospects and trades and free agent signings and the personalities involved the chances of a good 5 year prediction are equivalent to playing the stock market by using tarot cards.
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08-15-2019, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
I might not be alive in 5 years, so a lot of this is meh.
Frankly I think that because of the nature of prospects and trades and free agent signings and the personalities involved the chances of a good 5 year prediction are equivalent to playing the stock market by using tarot cards.
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I know it's just for fun, but I just don't see the point, as roster turnover is just too great.
If we look at today's roster, through a lens from 5 years ago, only 8 of the current players would have been knowable at the time.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Jankowski - Lucic
Mangiapane - Ryan - Dube
Czarnik, Quine, Everyone else
Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Hamonic
Valimaki - Andersson
Kylington - Davidson
Valiev - Yelesin
Rittich - Talbot
Gillies - Parsons
Schneider - Zagidulin
That's 8 total in the organization, not just the 23 man roster.
But whatever - have at 'er.
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08-15-2019, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
I know it's just for fun, but I just don't see the point, as roster turnover is just too great.
If we look at today's roster, through a lens from 5 years ago, only 8 of the current players would have been knowable at the time.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Jankowski - Lucic
Mangiapane - Ryan - Dube
Czarnik, Quine, Everyone else
Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Hamonic
Valimaki - Andersson
Kylington - Davidson
Valiev - Yelesin
Rittich - Talbot
Gillies - Parsons
Schneider - Zagidulin
That's 8 total in the organization, not just the 23 man roster.
But whatever - have at 'er.
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five years ago, one might have projected our 2019-20 roster to look like this:
Gaudreau - McDavid - Monahan
Baertschi - Bennett - UFA RW
Klimchuk - Backlund - Poirier
Ferland - Jankowski - Colborne
Giordano - Brodie
Kulak - The Highly Coveted Brent Seabrook
Culkin - The Highly Coveted Simon Despres
Ortio
Gillies
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08-15-2019, 11:47 AM
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^ exactly
In other words, every single addition to the then current roster, would have been wrong, except for Jankowski.
Which is my point: why bother?
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08-15-2019, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by savardandjokinen
Travis Hamonic’s “expensive” deal. Give me a break. Guy isn’t even making 4 mil, and he deserves much more than that imo. Would be better worded as inexpensive.
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Brodie too. Both contracts are great.
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08-15-2019, 11:50 AM
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Maybe a more interesting way to look at it might be: name 10 guys currently in the organization that you think will be on the team in 5 years.
Anyone that got more than 5 right would have done really well.
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08-15-2019, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Maybe a more interesting way to look at it might be: name 10 guys currently in the organization that you think will be on the team in 5 years.
Anyone that got more than 5 right would have done really well.
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Hanifin, Valimaki, Andersson, Tkachuk are the locks IMO. Then Monahan, Dube, Bennett, Mangiapane and maybe Hamonic. I could see Gaudreau going elsewhere unless things go really well. Lindholm is hard to peg and Janko depends more on him than anything else. I can't even start to guess at Flames' goalies. On a limb: Talbot and Wolf?
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08-15-2019, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Hanifin, Valimaki, Andersson, Tkachuk are the locks IMO. Then Monahan, Dube, Bennett, Mangiapane and maybe Hamonic. I could see Gaudreau going elsewhere unless things go really well. Lindholm is hard to peg and Janko depends more on him than anything else. I can't even start to guess at Flames' goalies. On a limb: Talbot and Wolf?
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It gets tough pretty quickly.
Hard to see Tkachuk, Bennett, Mangiapane, and Dube all on the team in 5 years.
Hanifin, Valimaki and Andersson seem like fairly easy picks. And probably Monahan.
Then it gets really tough. Gaudreau, Lindholm, Hamonic are possibilities. Goalies are wildcards across the board.
I think my list would be: Monahan, Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Dube, Hanifin, Valimaki, Andersson. Eight guys. And Parsons.
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08-15-2019, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Torture
Hard to project that far for sure, but I'd be surprised if Mangiapane hadn't moved up from being a fixture on the 4th line 5 years from now.
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Yeah, he should definitely still be a part of the team. I see him as a middle 6 guy though.
Edit: Misunderstood! Agree fully.
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08-15-2019, 03:56 PM
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Important to note that five years ago the Flames were still fighting through a rebuild and had a bunch of aging vets nearing the end of their contracts (or just on shorter-term deals): Jiri Hudler, David Jones, Dennis Wideman, Mason Raymond, Jonas Hiller, Deryk Engelland, and Matt Stajan, to name a few.
The Flames of today are a ridiculously young team. The guys who really fit that description of older vets are the top three defensemen, Lucic, Ryan, Talbot, maybe Backlund, and Frolik. But everyone really important fits into the long-term window. This isn't the 2014 team where both the leading scorers up front and on defense were out of the league two years later. Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Hanifin, Valimaki, Andersson, Dube, Rittich, Bennett, and Lindholm all seem like pretty safe bets to be here for a while, and they're all projected as core members of the team.
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08-15-2019, 04:48 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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I really don't think Johnny's here after the 20/21 season. We have two more years with him to try win. Then he'll need to be traded or else we lose him to ufa after his last year and get nothing in return.
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08-15-2019, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
It gets tough pretty quickly.
Hard to see Tkachuk, Bennett, Mangiapane, and Dube all on the team in 5 years.
Hanifin, Valimaki and Andersson seem like fairly easy picks. And probably Monahan.
Then it gets really tough. Gaudreau, Lindholm, Hamonic are possibilities. Goalies are wildcards across the board.
I think my list would be: Monahan, Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Dube, Hanifin, Valimaki, Andersson. Eight guys. And Parsons.
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I included Tkachuk because I think this contract or the next two, if he signs a two year deal, get him to 5 years from now. Obviously Andersson and Valimaki too. Dube if he works out, but the sample size is pretty small. Not Kylington only because of expansion. Hamonic I think is a guy who likes it here, and could conceivably choose to be a lifer. I suppose that could apply to Monahan and Mangiapane, but that's projection on my part, based on not very much. Everyone likes to think Gaudreau will have loyalty, but what evidence is there either way?
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08-16-2019, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by savardandjokinen
Travis Hamonic’s “expensive” deal. Give me a break. Guy isn’t even making 4 mil, and he deserves much more than that imo. Would be better worded as inexpensive.
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I also liked how the "kids will get better" and Hanifin "provides the veteran presence"
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