2019 CFL season

[dash_pinched]

Pretty cool.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1154575097077870592

[Slanter]

What a weird game. I thought we totally deserved the win based on strength of play. I guess Rick Campbell agreed with me, lol?

[CofR]

Jason Maas caliber coaching from Campbell tonight

[Erick Estrada]

Dickenson has had a bad year as offensive coordinator. The offense has been sloppy since the opening snap of the season. While they moved the ball well they couldn't get into the endzone due so sloppy play. I feel he's been really, really lucky that Arbuckle has some game to him as this offense has had issues all season with ball security and discipline.

[Scorch]

Yikes... Argos getting shut out tonight

Corporate axes be swinging in Toronto!

[TheAlpineOracle]

Wow, those were two dog #### games.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Dickenson has had a bad year as offensive coordinator. The offense has been sloppy since the opening snap of the season. While they moved the ball well they couldn't get into the endzone due so sloppy play. I feel he's been really, really lucky that Arbuckle has some game to him as this offense has had issues all season with ball security and discipline.

You know what, I agree and disagree with you at the same time.


With the continuous stream of injuries its nearly impossible for a offensive coordinator to develop any kind of rhythm at all. Its also impossibly hard for a QB to develop chemistry. At the same time you have a rookie QB trying to execute a pro game plan, and as much as people will say Arbuckle has had all of that practice time practice time does not equal live fire.


I know that my experience isn't compatible, but I will tell you that it takes nearly a full season under center for a QB to get comfortable in game situations, and you can see that with Arbuckle with his ups and downs.


You have a solid point on ball security and that's football 101. Its time to really crack down on this teams sloppy ball carrying technique and worth their concrete hands at the worst times.


On Rick Campbell's call, I get the second guess, but the bottom line is his defense had done a pretty good job in shutting down the Stamps offense, however it wasn't giving up the safety to get a deeper kick, I'd be tempted to do the same call and trust my special teams and trust my defense. I will also state that punting out of the end zone compared to doing a kick off is a completely different thing, and a bad snap or block or mistake on the punt would have been equally devastating.


At the end of the day, it was a 50/50 call but the special teams coverage boned them.

[browna]

Stamps are now almost halfway to a playoff spot, with 12 games to go, in a league where there are some terrible teams this year and even the top teams are more then beatable for the Stamps, even with a backup QB. It's all about November.

[Slanter]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

At the end of the day, it was a 50/50 call but the special teams coverage boned them.

I don't know... I realize that usually when a coach makes a call like that, there's some back-and-forth about whether he made a mistake. In this case, I think it might have been objectively a bad call:

-On the kickoff, Williams caught the ball on the Stampeders 20. On a deep kickoff, you're pretty much guaranteed a 10 yard return, so let's say best case scenario (for the redblacks) the Stamps scrimmage from their own 30. If you're pretty sure Paredes will hit from the 40, then you need to defend 40 yards against a field goal.

-If you punt out of your end zone, Williams probably catches it on the redblacks 45, and might get 5 yards return (again, best case scenario for the redblacks special teams). Now you need to defend 40 yards against a touchdown.

I'd take 40 yards against a touchdown every time, over 40 yards against a field goal. Either way a significant return is a risk, although I think you could cover the punt better than the deep kickoff. I think he just whiffed on that call.

[TheAlpineOracle]

On the Stamps website there is a video with them handing out the game balls. You can see Carey in the background with a cane/crutches. Not good.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

4-2 with this many injuries including your all star QB is a accomplishment.


I've said over the last couple of weeks that ball security is a huge concern and receivers helping out their QB.


On that last fumble, as a coach I'd be fuming at the ball handling on that play, I mean really fuming.



But in the end this team has shown a lot of good character. If this team is a couple of games over .500 when Bo gets back, they'll contend for the division title.

Play like that cost them a grey cup...don't try to be a hero

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

On the Stamps website there is a video with them handing out the game balls. You can see Carey in the background with a cane/crutches. Not good.

It's disappointing because he was coming on and looked like a potential staring RB in this league. I'm not sure why this team seems to get injury decimated every year as the injuries are getting comical. If the team hasn't already they really need to look at their strength and conditioning because I think we are long past using bad luck as an excuse.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You know what, I agree and disagree with you at the same time.


With the continuous stream of injuries its nearly impossible for a offensive coordinator to develop any kind of rhythm at all. Its also impossibly hard for a QB to develop chemistry. At the same time you have a rookie QB trying to execute a pro game plan, and as much as people will say Arbuckle has had all of that practice time practice time does not equal live fire.


I know that my experience isn't compatible, but I will tell you that it takes nearly a full season under center for a QB to get comfortable in game situations, and you can see that with Arbuckle with his ups and downs.


You have a solid point on ball security and that's football 101. Its time to really crack down on this teams sloppy ball carrying technique and worth their concrete hands at the worst times.


On Rick Campbell's call, I get the second guess, but the bottom line is his defense had done a pretty good job in shutting down the Stamps offense, however it wasn't giving up the safety to get a deeper kick, I'd be tempted to do the same call and trust my special teams and trust my defense. I will also state that punting out of the end zone compared to doing a kick off is a completely different thing, and a bad snap or block or mistake on the punt would have been equally devastating.


At the end of the day, it was a 50/50 call but the special teams coverage boned them.

The offense looked bad the first two games when Mitchell and most of the offense was healthy. Let's not forget that the defense carried the team last season during stretches where the offense sputtered. Dickenson is actually very lucky Arbuckle has been so efficient with his passing as everything around him has let him down at times whether it be poor offensive line blocking, receivers dropping balls, receivers fumbling, running backs fumbling, bad penalties, etc. This is just not a well run offense.

[RyZ]

- Robertson Daniel is legit. If we get lucky, Roberson and Daniel may form the best DB tandem in the CFL for years to come. He's already cemented himself as a starter and looks well on his way to cementing himself as a star.

- If Bo was in last night that game would have been out of reach by half time. Arbuckle has been pretty good as a back up getting his first block of starts in the CFL but Im ready for BO to come back and for this team to go on a bit of a run.

[Erick Estrada]

The team is missing the big passing plays on offense as while you don't get the high completion percentage with Mitchell you get a lot of big plays in the passing game because he takes a lot of shots deep. Arbuckle has been great but to me he looks a lot like Trevor Harris. High completion percentage, dink & dunk offense that accumulates impressive stats moving the ball between the 20's but has problems scoring TD's. I think the Eskimos have gone two games without scoring a TD on offense already this season which is crazy when you look at their stats.

[troutman]

Coach Dave, 45-13, .776, in Grey Cup every season. What a bum!

[White Out 403]

At the risk of being called a troll I think the Stamps are exactly what I expected (and the media, I'm not John Madden). They're going to play for 2nd/3rd in the west, but they are no where near where they were last year. and that has nothing to do with BLM but the roster turnover on D.

What is interesting is I didn't see Montreal being above 500 this early. I'm really interested to see their next few games. I think the league has been totally predictable. Who didn't see Ottawa being garbage, Toronto being a tire fire, Hamilton on top. To me the only real surprise is how putrid BC has been.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Slanter

I don't know... I realize that usually when a coach makes a call like that, there's some back-and-forth about whether he made a mistake. In this case, I think it might have been objectively a bad call:

-On the kickoff, Williams caught the ball on the Stampeders 20. On a deep kickoff, you're pretty much guaranteed a 10 yard return, so let's say best case scenario (for the redblacks) the Stamps scrimmage from their own 30. If you're pretty sure Paredes will hit from the 40, then you need to defend 40 yards against a field goal.

-If you punt out of your end zone, Williams probably catches it on the redblacks 45, and might get 5 yards return (again, best case scenario for the redblacks special teams). Now you need to defend 40 yards against a touchdown.

I'd take 40 yards against a touchdown every time, over 40 yards against a field goal. Either way a significant return is a risk, although I think you could cover the punt better than the deep kickoff. I think he just whiffed on that call.

Kickoff return average is usually much longer than 10 yards.

On a normal kickoff from the 35, “average” field position after the return is your own 35, that’s why you have the option simply to take the ball on your 35 after the opponent scores a FG.

However, a safety kickoff is done from the 25, not from the 35. So “average” field position after the return should be about your own 45. It’s only 20 yards from there to attempt a 53 yard FG.

Meanwhile, the Redblacks were lined up on their 8 or so, and the average NET punt is about 40-45 yards. On average, Calgary would have got the ball 50 yards away, needing a TD.

50 yards for a TD, vs 20 yards for s long FG attempt, or 30 yards for a very makable FG attempt. Also, a team needing a TD can’t run out the clock like you can with a FG to kick on the last play. If you leave Calgary needing a TD, you are much more likely to have a chance to answer back if your defense fails. It might not be a lot of time, but you would only need a FG to tie.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Kickoff return average is usually much longer than 10 yards.

On a normal kickoff from the 35, “average” field position after the return is your own 35, that’s why you have the option simply to take the ball on your 35 after the opponent scores a FG.

However, a safety kickoff is done from the 25, not from the 35. So “average” field position after the return should be about your own 45. It’s only 20 yards from there to attempt a 53 yard FG.

Meanwhile, the Redblacks were lined up on their 8 or so, and the average NET punt is about 40-45 yards. On average, Calgary would have got the ball 50 yards away, needing a TD.

50 yards for a TD, vs 20 yards for s long FG attempt, or 30 yards for a very makable FG attempt. Also, a team needing a TD can’t run out the clock like you can with a FG to kick on the last play. If you leave Calgary needing a TD, you are much more likely to have a chance to answer back if your defense fails. It might not be a lot of time, but you would only need a FG to tie.

It really was a totally insane decision. What's worse is on the radio the colour guy for 770 was calling for it before the decision. Stupid beyond belief.

[MoneyGuy]

The Argos are crap. I’m an Esks fan and realize that some of those big plays (interceptions) would not have happened against a good team. One interception happened because a terrible QB just put it up for grabs into double coverage. Calgary will be a good test next week.