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View Poll Results: What do you think of the trade after a week of getting your head around it?
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Love it, think Lucic is an upgrade
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109 |
16.80% |
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Like it, clears some cap space even if Lucic is no better
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197 |
30.35% |
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Indifferent, both teams getting a failed project
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187 |
28.81% |
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Dislike it, Neal needed another year to bounce back
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16.49% |
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Hate it, Neal will be better in Edmonton
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7.55% |
07-25-2019, 03:51 PM
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#2521
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Polls shouldn't have opinions. Remove everything behind the coma. I may like it for reasons other than why you like it.
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07-25-2019, 03:54 PM
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#2522
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07-25-2019, 04:24 PM
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#2523
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McGrattan was just on Fan960 and one of the topics was around Lucic. Had a lot of good things to say about him and his role on this team. Hopefully they post it later. Also, maybe it is just me, but it was good to hear Rob Kerr interviewing.
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07-25-2019, 04:31 PM
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#2524
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz
Polls shouldn't have opinions. Remove everything behind the coma. I may like it for reasons other than why you like it.
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Makes sense I guess. I don't hate it but Neal is pretty much guaranteed to be better in Edmonton since they have 3 NHL forwards and then a bunch of ECHL forwards.
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07-25-2019, 04:32 PM
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#2525
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Indifferent - I get the possible motivations and rationale behind the deal but it feels like the sweetener should have been sweeter.
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07-25-2019, 04:40 PM
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#2526
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Was between like it and indifferent for me - chose indifferent because I think the return should have been a little better
In the end, I think it will help both teams though - at least for this year. I expect both Neal and Lucic to be motivated, and have better years.
The question will be, which one of them slides into oblivion quicker?
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07-25-2019, 04:49 PM
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#2527
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I’m not really sure how to vote. I dislike it, but not for the reasons stated. I think the sweetener should have been better.
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07-25-2019, 04:52 PM
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#2528
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#1 Goaltender
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Hate it. Not just because Neil will probably have better success in Edmonton but also because I think Lucic is done as a player. I don't see any upside in this deal.
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07-25-2019, 04:56 PM
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#2529
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I didn't make the poll (the options I suggested were mostly used), but usually, if given a poll like this with five options, I take the extra explanation as an optional guideline and generally stick by the "love it"/"hate it" parts to determine my answer.
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07-25-2019, 04:57 PM
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#2530
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz
Polls shouldn't have opinions. Remove everything behind the coma. I may like it for reasons other than why you like it.
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Agreed, I like that Looch is a better fit for the bottom 6, but dont like his NMC. I guess Im indifferent but not because they are both failed projects.
But thats nitpicking i guess.
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07-25-2019, 05:07 PM
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#2531
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbob
McGrattan was just on Fan960 and one of the topics was around Lucic. Had a lot of good things to say about him and his role on this team. Hopefully they post it later. Also, maybe it is just me, but it was good to hear Rob Kerr interviewing.
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Just listened to this on the Fan. A lot of what he said about the Lucic trade is why I think this is going to end up being a huge win for the Flames. It can't be anything but positive, having a guy Lucic is good friends with involved with the team as well. I'm really excited about having Lucic on this team.
Also agree, nice to hear Rob do the interview.
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07-25-2019, 05:34 PM
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#2532
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford
What about hate it, Flames should have got more for taking on the Lucic contract
That's why I hate it, nothing to do with Neal
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They didn't though.
So is it ...
a) he had other options and chose to ignore them?
b) was lazy and only phoned Edmonton?
I mean honestly, to me this has always followed a logic line.
1. They wanted Neal gone
2. Owners wouldn't sign off on buy out (or Treliving didn't want it)
3. This was the only bite on the line
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07-25-2019, 06:33 PM
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#2533
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by the2bears
He just loves to write bad about Calgary. Whether it's the trade, the tentative arena deal, ... heck, even building on a floodplain. He's only a "blogger", but he always introduces himself as "Staples, of the Edmonton Journal". What a maroon.
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What a disaster that article is...it is amazing how bold the Ouler trolls get every summer...where do they find the strength???
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07-25-2019, 06:48 PM
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#2535
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Originally Posted by Bingo
They didn't though.
So is it ...
a) he had other options and chose to ignore them?
b) was lazy and only phoned Edmonton?
I mean honestly, to me this has always followed a logic line.
1. They wanted Neal gone
2. Owners wouldn't sign off on buy out (or Treliving didn't want it)
3. This was the only bite on the line
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How do we know Holland didn’t call him?
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07-25-2019, 07:10 PM
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#2536
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I voted that I like it but not for the reason listed.
I like it because I'd rather have Lucic at $5.25 million than Neal at $5.75 million. Especially if Neal was a pouty malcontent butting heads with the coach.
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07-25-2019, 07:15 PM
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#2537
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Join Date: Nov 2009
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No kidding; would much rather be paying Lucic 5.25 versus paying 6.5 for Neal. I think this has a bigger chance to blow up in Edmonton’s face (as per usual lol)
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07-25-2019, 07:45 PM
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#2538
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Voted indifferent for the same reasons I gave when this was announced.
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
... In all seriousness, if the rumoured retention and pick are true (based on what I've read in here, EDM retains $600k and provides a conditional mid-round pick, which I assume will be based on Lucic playing X number of games) then I dunno. It's kind of garbage in, garbage out.
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Ended up being $750k, but that doesn't change my view.
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07-25-2019, 08:05 PM
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#2539
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Originally Posted by edslunch
I won’t miss Neal but have no expectations for Lucic - a wash IMO right now. But 4 years of an asset that seems to have been declining for two already.....yech. I can’t imagine a scenario where we look back four years from now and even just shrug our shoulders.
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That will almost certainly be true for both of them. One of the interesting things to watch with this trade will be how quickly their games deteriorate.
I expect both to have rebound years. But what will years 2, 3 and 4 look like?
The good news with respect to Lucic is that his salary will be less than his cap hit for the last couple years, so he may yet be movable.
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07-25-2019, 08:10 PM
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#2540
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Indifferent - I get the possible motivations and rationale behind the deal but it feels like the sweetener should have been sweeter.
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This for me, without much of a sweetener there’s no upside to get excited about.
Trading Lucic the player for Neal the player, the Flames didn’t get any worse than they were, but I do feel Neal has a better chance of being somewhat good going forward than Lucic does, but based solely on 2018-19, the Flames got the better player.
Lucic the (retained) contract for Neal the contract should have resulted in a bigger sweetener, something like a top 20 protected first or two seconds or similar would have been what I was expecting, or at least way more retention (2mil+).
I don’t think it moves the needle, but for taking on the additional contract risk there should have been a bigger reward, or less risk.
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