Ongoing thread for Neal/Lucic discussion

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I don't get this.

Lucic's
- contract is buyout proof
- a year longer
-he's even worse than Neil, he has no hands left

This is a worse situation in all aspects.

Both players have 4 years left.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

He couldn't produce because he couldn't keep up with their top line and seemingly killed plays when they got to him...


That statement fits exactly with what James Neal was here. Do you honestly think that Neal will fare better in Lucic's spot? He thought he was mistreated by this organization and got moody about it- he is in for a world of hurt in Edmonton.

Well Lucic couldn't handle a bottom 6 role in Edmonton, I think Neal could do that.

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Lol, no he isn't.


Lucic couldn't produce riding shot gun with the best player in the NHL.

Yay once again For The Oilers! Lucic could also be a really valuable player for the Flames on the bottom six

[Scornfire]

That conditional pick better be a first and that better be a huge Retention for the purposes of re-signing Tkachuk et al, what a gross idea Lucic in Flames Silks is, the heartless playoff series soured me a lot on this team, picking up Oilers scraps might push me to NBA full time

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Essentially it could be that the NMC is getting nullified/modified.

If a player waives a NMC/NTC and the team does not want to honor it post trade and the player still waives, the NMC/NTC becomes void or potentially modified to a lesser NMC/NTC.

A man can dream

[ComixZone]

Lucic's linemates last year:

Freq Line Combination
19.3 BRODZIAK,KYLE - KASSIAN,ZACK - LUCIC,MILAN
9.4 CHIASSON,ALEX - LUCIC,MILAN - NUGENT-HOPKINS,RYAN
5.4 LUCIC,MILAN - NUGENT-HOPKINS,RYAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE
5.3 CAGGIULA,DRAKE - LUCIC,MILAN - STROME,RYAN
5.1 CAVE,COLBY - CURRIE,JOSH - LUCIC,MILAN
3.9 LUCIC,MILAN - MCDAVID,CONNOR - RATTIE,TY
3.7 DRAISAITL,LEON - LUCIC,MILAN - YAMAMOTO,KAILER
3.7 BRODZIAK,KYLE - CURRIE,JOSH - LUCIC,MILAN
3.4 CHIASSON,ALEX - DRAISAITL,LEON - LUCIC,MILAN
3.2 LUCIC,MILAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE - STROME,RYAN

James Neal's linemates:

21.2 BENNETT,SAM - JANKOWSKI,MARK - NEAL,JAMES
9.2 BACKLUND,MIKAEL - NEAL,JAMES - TKACHUK,MATTHEW
8.3 GAUDREAU,JOHNNY - MONAHAN,SEAN - NEAL,JAMES
7.7 JANKOWSKI,MARK - MANGIAPANE,ANDREW - NEAL,JAMES
5.9 CZARNIK,AUSTIN - JANKOWSKI,MARK - NEAL,JAMES
5.2 CZARNIK,AUSTIN - NEAL,JAMES - RYAN,DEREK
4.8 BENNETT,SAM - NEAL,JAMES - RYAN,DEREK
3.7 BACKLUND,MIKAEL - BENNETT,SAM - NEAL,JAMES
3 BACKLUND,MIKAEL - FROLIK,MICHAEL - NEAL,JAMES
2.5 FROLIK,MICHAEL - JANKOWSKI,MARK - NEAL,JAMES

So James Neal played with way, way better players.

Circumstance should give us some reason for optimism.

[Duffalufagus]

While I wait for the two ativan i just took to kick in, I am thinking that Tre has clearly got some other #### teed up. I don't get this move at all unless we freed up a couple mil in cap space.

Edit: I don't even think Lucic could make the roster given who we have here. Yikes.

Tre is the only GM who went into the offseason thinking "I need to get Milan here for us to take the next step and become cup contenders"?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

The only way this isn't completely idiotic is if the oilers are eating $3M-$4M of his AAV.

He's a fine player at about $2M a year. If not, this is by far one of the dumbest moves I can see being made a flames GM in the last couple of decades.

The max they can retain is $3M. Rumours are far less ($600K).

So the Flames save about $350K, and get a pick. They can trade Lucic if they can find a buyer or demote Lucic (which buries a little over $1M) if they want.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The biggest issue from this trade for me is how it helps the Oilers.

I don't think the Flames ownership group wanted to buyout Neal, and trading for Lucic saves them real money so I think they like the deal for that reason.
l.

Yeah, it's seven million dollars over the remaining contract that the owners will save. Lucic's signing bonus for the year has already been paid, and the next three years he makes less than his cap hit.

For the fans that doesn't matter but after eating millions already because of Treliving's buyouts they are probably much happier with this solution.

They're both useless players at the point however. You could always hope for a one season bonus like Wideman had during his five years, but that's it. Hopefully the pick is decent and this doesn't hurt us in the expansion draft.

[Royle9]

Conditional 1st and or at least 2M+ in retained salary or I'm going full Denzel here..

[JJolg]

Lucic has a spot in our lineup if he isnt producing points, Neal didn't. Who bounces back better, we will see but Neal was clearly not happy since he wasn't gifted the top spot and never felt he had to earn it. As for Lucic, it will be interested to see how he plays when he is happy and enjoying hockey as he clearly wanted out for some time.

[FlamesNation23]

this is the worst. Usually even if we make a bad trade I can convince myself that it could work out. I cant do it with this one at all. FML

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Does anyone else feel super high right now?

I actually am baked so yes


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[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Still bitter about choking a 3-1 lead in the Finals to Lucic eh?

Well it was 3 - 2... so no?


Do you mean 2 - 0 lead? If so... then yes, but that has nothing to do with Lucic being awful at hockey now (he wasn't in 2011)

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

Originally Posted by Scornfire

That conditional pick better be a first and that better be a huge Retention for the purposes of re-signing Tkachuk et al, what a gross idea Lucic in Flames Silks is, the heartless playoff series soured me a lot on this team, picking up Oilers scraps might push me to NBA full time

I doubt it’s a first, maybe a third both contracts are bad

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The max they can retain is $3M. Rumours are far less ($600K).

So the Flames save about $350K, and get a pick. They can trade Lucic if they can find a buyer or demote Lucic (which buries a little over $1M) if they want.

I still don't see any way Lucic leaves himself open to being sent to the AHL.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Conditional 1st and or at least 2M+ in retained salary or I'm going full Denzel here..

Won't happen because we traded back Neal. That decreases the retention and conditional pick significantly, unfortunately.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I still don't see any way Lucic leaves himself open to being sent to the AHL.

Does he strike you as a long term thinker?

[Press Level]

I foresee a big Flames press conference early next week:

"We would like to announce that we have reached a deal with the City to fund the construction of a new arena! ...and we traded for Lucic.

We will not be taking any questions."

[Johnny Makarov]

Take some more of this Smith!