Ongoing thread for Neal/Lucic discussion

[Geeoff]

assuming the NMC isn't an issue:


- Neal and Lucic are both done, so that's a wash
- small cap savings

- conditional pick



I'll call it a slight win. Alhough, I have 0% faith that Neal will bounce back and I know some people think he will

[Table 5]

I get why the Oilers would do this, but for the life of me I don't understand why the Flames would. What's the possible upside here?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

That team looked real awesome in the playoffs last year and outside of Hanafin and Lindholm the core of this roster was not put together by Treliving.

hm. Dubious claim at best.

The value contracts of Johnny, Money, Lindy and even Gio are Trelivings doing. Rittich was brought in under treliving. Hamonic too. Our most important secondary pieces (Andersson, frolik, ryan) were drafted, signed and acquired under tre.

Peters was brought in by Tre.

So that means that we owe the entirety of our top line, 3/4 of our top 4 D, our coach, and our starting goalie to Tre's reign.
Burke's last draft had us pass on Brayden Point for Hunter Smith.

Are you trying to claim we owe our current success to Feaster?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

His CF was still above 50% though despite 45% offensive zone starts. Surprisingly good all things considered. He had a positive impact with tough assignments (at least possession wise) unlike Neal who consistently killed plays and brought down his teammates.

You are in for a treat.

[868904]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

That team looked real awesome in the playoffs last year and outside of Hanafin and Lindholm the core of this roster was not put together by Treliving.

The team struggled in the playoffs. I put that on Peters' being a rookie and not adjusting fast enough.

I consider Valimaki and Andersson as part of the core too. So that's 3 top 4 defensemen acquired by Treliving for the core. Most GMs can't even acquire 1 young top 4 defensemen for their core. Tkachuk and Lindholm are both big core pieces.

5 of 8 "core pieces" were acquired by Tre.

Tkachuk
Lindholm
Hanifin
Valimaki
Andersson

Gio
Gaudreau
Monahan

Make up the rest of the core. Tre also got all 3 of those guys on ridiculous long term cap friendly contracts.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Lucic is also another LW. We have like 6, and not enough RW.

Gaudreau
Tkachuk
Bennett
Mangiapane
Dube
Lucic


RW
Lindholm
Frolik

This is confusing me as well. At this point Lucic does not bump any of the current LWs out of the lineup, unless he gets moved to RW.

Either that, or there's another trade lined up to flip him. I don't even want to consider the possibility that Bennett gets traded to make room for Lucic.

[Flames67]

I can't believe that it's happening, but...

Even if Neal returns as a scorer, we were covered on the goals-for front pretty well all season long. What we were missing is someone who's defined role was ensuring that the other team didn't look the wrong way at us.

I don't like overpaying for role players like this, but once all the dust settles it may be better than we all think. Tre is savvy, I don't think we'll get robbed here.

[devo22]

still waiting for the "jk" moment. This is so gross, ugh.

[Nammer403]

EH dont mind it
we'll see how the season goes

[KevinKlineReadingABook]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

He didn’t draft Gaudreau or Monahan. He inherited them.

And managed to retain them both with excellent contracts. Give credit where it's due.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

If they think trading Lucic for Neal is “taking out the trash” they’re in for a rude awakening.

If the everyone thought Neal was bad here last year, wait until we get 82 games of Milan Lucic.

[TheIronMaiden]

I wonder how Lucic likes his Popcorn.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

assuming the NMC isn't an issue:


- Neal and Lucic are both done, so that's a wash
- small cap savings

- conditional pick



I'll call it a slight win. Alhough, I have 0% faith that Neal will bounce back and I know some people think he will

I also believe Neal had no chance of bouncing back here, but I think that is logarithmically more unlikely in Edmonton. When has a player bounced back playing in Edmonton?

[TheScorpion]

Well, I guess all we can do is hope for the best.

Because as of right now, this is just terrible in every way.

[Zoller]

I wouldn't be surprised if James Neal consistently outcores Lucic for the rest of their contracts.

Lucic adds an element of toughness for us that we we're severely lacking.

This is probably a loss for Calgary, but with the rumors of James Neal and his attitude it softens the blow. It's a loss today and it's going to look worse after these contracts are over.

Unless we win the cup

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I wonder how Lucic likes his Popcorn.

Smashed into his face most likely.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Flames67

I can't believe that it's happening, but...

Even if Neal returns as a scorer, we were covered on the goals-for front pretty well all season long. What we were missing is someone who's defined role was ensuring that the other team didn't look the wrong way at us.

I don't like overpaying for role players like this, but once all the dust settles it may be better than we all think. Tre is savvy, I don't think we'll get robbed here.

Lucic would have made all the difference against an Avs team that was skating the Flames into the ground a few months ago....

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

This is confusing me as well. At this point Lucic does not bump any of the current LWs out of the lineup, unless he gets moved to RW.

Either that, or there's another trade lined up to flip him. I don't even want to consider the possibility that Bennett gets traded to make room for Lucic.

Neal was a LHS as well, they just put him on RW.

[Ashes]

[btimbit]

Neither player will bounce back, this just comes down to the salary retention