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View Poll Results: What do you think of the trade after a week of getting your head around it?
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Love it, think Lucic is an upgrade
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Like it, clears some cap space even if Lucic is no better
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Indifferent, both teams getting a failed project
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Dislike it, Neal needed another year to bounce back
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Hate it, Neal will be better in Edmonton
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07-19-2019, 01:58 PM
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#141
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by VilleN
It's cap management. My guess is that Tre hasn't been able to get the return he wants for Frolik, so he gets rid of the Neal contract for lets say a 3-4m Lucic contract, cap savings of 1.5-2m. With the NMC gone and a lower cap hit Lucic is actually tradeable... wouldn't be surprised to see him moved before the summer is done.
Edit: didn't think about Oilers cap situation... this may actually just be a #### trade. I hope Tre has something else cooking though.
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Or as other posts have mentioned, Lucic could be traded to another team who needs to meet the cap floor and then bought out.
All dependent on the NMC being waived.
He could also be exposed in the expansion draft.
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07-19-2019, 01:58 PM
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#142
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I believe in the Jays.
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Okey. Here's the skinny the way I see it...
This is an acceptable deal if all of these are true:
1: The Flames don't have to honor the NMC
2: The Oilers are retaining significant $$
3: The conditional pick is sufficiently high
Lucic's base contract is IMO the worst in the NHL but if the NMC won't screw us in the expansion draft, the salary doesn't screw our cap situation worse then Neal's did, and the pick is good enough to mitigate the risk of Lucic's near buyout proof deal then I'm okey with it.
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07-19-2019, 01:58 PM
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#143
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
Legitimately one of the worst moves in franchise history. This will cost us Andersson or Mangiapane.
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How does it affect Anderson?
If they are going the 7-3-1 route they would have already had to protect Hanifin, Valamaki and one of Anderson and Kylington. So doesn't really change anything, Flames still likely lose a young defenseman.
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07-19-2019, 01:58 PM
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#144
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Backup Goalie
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I love how this breaks and Fan 960 is all like "meh" lets talk Stamps
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At least they aren't talking toronto sports
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07-19-2019, 01:58 PM
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#145
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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I think there must have been more to that rumor that the time James spent away from the team wasn't only injury related last season.
As long as the NMC is waived forever and it has no expansion draft ramifications, I am ok with this.
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07-19-2019, 01:58 PM
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#146
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by sleepingmoose
According to the CBA (Section 11.8) the acquiring team in a trade can make the choice to honor (or not) a NTC/NMC only if the player is traded BEFORE it kicks in. If Lucic comes here, the NMC is in place.
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
Well, there we have it.
Legitimately one of the worst moves in franchise history. This could cost us Andersson or Mangiapane.
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That doesn't deal with this situation at all. That's an involuntary loss of the NMC. This is a waiver situation. Lucic can voluntarily agree to whatever he wants.
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07-19-2019, 01:58 PM
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#147
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Originally Posted by Computerjungle
At least they aren't talking toronto sports
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Fair point.
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07-19-2019, 01:59 PM
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Pent-up
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
Well, there we have it.
Legitimately one of the worst moves in franchise history. This could cost us Andersson or Mangiapane.
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The player can still decide to waive it completely if negotiated. I’m maintaining faith.
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07-19-2019, 01:59 PM
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#149
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Franchise Player
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Neal's bad year last year is unrecoverable.
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07-19-2019, 01:59 PM
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#150
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
The player can still decide to waive it completely if negotiated. I’m maintaining faith.
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I'm cheering for the paperwork now.
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07-19-2019, 02:00 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: San Francisco
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Let’s hope the pick is good
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07-19-2019, 02:00 PM
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#153
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Pent-up
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I'm cheering for the paperwork now.
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Yeah exactly, for a maximum celebration of “holy crap thank god”.
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07-19-2019, 02:00 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Oct 2012
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God no! Please tell me this is some sort of sick joke!!
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07-19-2019, 02:01 PM
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#155
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Powerplay Quarterback
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did Treliving forget about the expansion draft?
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07-19-2019, 02:01 PM
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#156
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
That doesn't deal with this situation at all. That's an involuntary loss of the NMC. This is a waiver situation. Lucic can voluntarily agree to whatever he wants.
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So literally the same thing as a NMC? The Flames have to hope Lucic waives? They are not in control?
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07-19-2019, 02:02 PM
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Uncle Chester
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woof
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07-19-2019, 02:02 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Are the Flames poor or cheap?
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07-19-2019, 02:02 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
So literally the same thing as a NMC? The Flames have to hope Lucic waives? They are not in control?
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No, he apparently has already agreed to waive it permanently. Or at least for the Flames.
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