Off Season Trade rumours thread - Brodie, Frolik, Stone etc. Only

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Flash is right. Neal last year was pretty much wasted salary, a guy that could have been replaced by almost any winger in the entire league, and that screws over other players who delivered value for the dollars they are paid. Maybe Brodie, maybe Frolik. Everybody should be pissed off about Neal, circle of life talk aside

Well sure, but so what? If Neal had scored at his previous rate it would be a good deal, but Brodie (and Frolik/Stone etc) would still be being shopped.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Preaching to the choir, but for the dramatic sob story about TJ Brodie.

ok...

Decisions have to be made. If Neal scored 20 goals last year you wouldn't be trying to tie him to the story.

Yeah, if Neal came close to delivering what Brodie delivered last year I would have 0 qualms about moving out Brodie. I still have no qualms about moving Brodie, I've been talking about it seriously for probably a year.

Every team has succession issues and depth problems. No need to make it into a Harlequin Romance Novel.

Ok...

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well sure, but so what? If Neal had scored at his previous rate it would be a good deal, but Brodie (and Frolik/Stone etc) would still be being shopped.

Or... Neal could even be tradeable . So what indeed.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think people are pissed off about Neal.
But if every debate ends with "well if they didn't have Neal..." then it's not very productive.
They do. It's part of the situation they are in. So how do they best deal with that?

By moving Neal...?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Or... Neal could even be tradeable . So what indeed.

Well, I doubt they'd trade him a year in if that was the case. But sure. I'm not sure what the issue is, unless people are just trying to get shots in at Treliving over a signing that didn't work out. Like others have said, almost every team runs into this at some point.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So many different rumors about this one
I thought the Flames thought the deal was done, but it didn't get filed in time. Why is what we've never heard. Did someone eff up? Did Minny have second thoughts?
Did a fax machine jam?
It sounded like something went wrong on Minny's end. But that they thought the deal was done and return agreed to.
I suppose where deals can fall apart in the final minutes is around things like conditions - if there was a conditional pick in there or something.

I've been re-reading some posts about the Zucker deal and what j can piece together that seems to be confirmed by reputable media members is:

Frolik's NTC was not an issue.
There was no trade submission with the league
The flames thought they had a done deal.

It all points to something changing on the Minnesota end before the trade could be submitted to the league prior to the deadline.

The only thing I've been able to find about Zucker not wanting to go is this

Originally Posted by Robbob

Zucker will not willingly want to leave Minnesota for personal reasons, it was brought up at the deadline.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Yeah, if Neal came close to delivering what Brodie delivered last year I would have 0 qualms about moving out Brodie. I still have no qualms about moving Brodie, I've been talking about it seriously for probably a year.

So he's not being moved because his GM "made a couple huge mistakes" as you initially posited? It's been a prudent idea for some time now???

Your first post is even more confounding now.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, I doubt they'd trade him a year in if that was the case. But sure. I'm not sure what the issue is, unless people are just trying to get shots in at Treliving over a signing that didn't work out. Like others have said, almost every team runs into this at some point.

I don’t think anyone is taking shots at Treliving. One guy says that he feels bad for Brodie because the money wasted on Neal may be something that effectively contributes to pushing him out. I myself agree. And don’t personally find it controversial

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I don’t think anyone is taking shots at Treliving. One guy says that he feels bad for Brodie because the money wasted on Neal may be something that effectively contributes to pushing him out. I myself agree. And don’t personally find it controversial

The only reason Brodie is being pushed out is that he is valuable and we have a glutton of NHL ready defensemen. It is not being done for cap reasons. It helps our cap situation due to the amount of dmen we have ready on entry level deals. But Brodie’s cap isn’t a problem. It’s a commodity.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

By moving Neal...?

I suspect not possible without including a pretty serious sweetener.
This organization is not asset rich enough to do that.
So you wait and hope he rebounds.

[Robbob]

The old trading from a position of strength.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I don’t think anyone is taking shots at Treliving. One guy says that he feels bad for Brodie because the money wasted on Neal may be something that effectively contributes to pushing him out. I myself agree. And don’t personally find it controversial

I think anti-Treliving sentiment is behind at least some of the constant references to Neal around here. And it was a bad move, in hindsight anyway. For me, I totally see why it happened, and even why it happened after the Brouwer business.

Of course, it's never mentioned that people expected Gaudreau and Gio to cost collectively about $4-7 million more than the actual contracts that got signed. These things have evened out to a fair degree.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Apparently said on SirriusXM radio today:

Rob Simpson @simmerpuck
Brad Treliving made it clear - a trade is coming to make room for his Flames RFAs. @StellickSimmer @GordStellick @SiriusXMNHL When and whom?

Since he almost traded Brodie for Kadri which would have resulted in no cap room gained, and with Neal/Stone likely holding no value, he must have something in the hopper for Frolik.

I still think Brodie gets dealt for a top 6 forward this summer.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Since he almost traded Brodie for Kadri which would have resulted in no cap room gained, and with Neal/Stone likely holding no value, he must have something in the hopper for Frolik.



I still think Brodie gets dealt for a top 6 forward this summer.

I’m really not sure there’s a team that would do that trade now that Kadri’s been moved. At least I can’t see any team/player that might be a fit for both sides the way Toronto was.

I think we’re now looking at getting futures for Brodie, and with only one year on his deal they’re not gonna be great futures.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Since he almost traded Brodie for Kadri which would have resulted in no cap room gained, and with Neal/Stone likely holding no value, he must have something in the hopper for Frolik.

I still think Brodie gets dealt for a top 6 forward this summer.

Wild crazy based on nothing but my own thoughts speculation here.. but I keep wondering if Derek Ryan could be moved. Toronto pressed for him last summer, and he would've been a good piece in the Kadri deal too.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Rando

Wild crazy based on nothing but my own thoughts speculation here.. but I keep wondering if Derek Ryan could be moved. Toronto pressed for him last summer, and he would've been a good piece in the Kadri deal too.

I doubt it but Ryan is far from a core piece so the Flames should not be afraid to make that deal. Janko has much more upside though and likely hasn’t come close to his ceiling. Really seems like a late bloomer.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I doubt it but Ryan is far from a core piece so the Flames should not be afraid to make that deal. Janko has much more upside though and likely hasn’t come close to his ceiling. Really seems like a late bloomer.

Eh, Ryan isn’t a core piece but he’s the type of player you need in your bottom six and I don’t see a clear replacement.

Janko probably is fairly close to his ceiling. Late bloomer, sure, but he’ll be 25 when the puck drops this season and doesn’t seem to be showing signs that he’s suddenly going to turn into that bottom six guy you depend on. There comes a time when we’re going to have to accept Janko for what he is, and I think that time is close. It’s a shame he’s so soft.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

The sweater allergy is a complex plan to execute, but you didn’t hear it from me.

GTFO that'll never happen. Don't be ridiculous!

Am I doing it right?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Eh, Ryan isn’t a core piece but he’s the type of player you need in your bottom six and I don’t see a clear replacement.

Janko probably is fairly close to his ceiling. Late bloomer, sure, but he’ll be 25 when the puck drops this season and doesn’t seem to be showing signs that he’s suddenly going to turn into that bottom six guy you depend on. There comes a time when we’re going to have to accept Janko for what he is, and I think that time is close. It’s a shame he’s so soft.

Not so sure about Janko. Look how far that kid went from 18-23 before he debuted with the Flames. I have no worries if the Flames move on from him but also would t be heartbroken if they traded 32 year old Derek Ryan. Mind you this was u fee the scenario we were acquiring Kadri which would have made our center ice spot much deeper.

I definitely am not advocating that Janko is going to breakout and we must keep him but I could see it happening and could see why he has value around the league. I can also see why the Leafs would have targeted Ryan as well.

Janko did increase his scoring from year 1-2 and found a niche on the PK. I agree he is too soft for his size

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Not so sure about Janko. Look how far that kid went from 18-23 before he debuted with the Flames. I have no worries if the Flames move on from him but also would t be heartbroken if they traded 32 year old Derek Ryan. Mind you this was u fee the scenario we were acquiring Kadri which would have made our center ice spot much deeper.

I definitely am not advocating that Janko is going to breakout and we must keep him but I could see it happening and could see why he has value around the league. I can also see why the Leafs would have targeted Ryan as well.

Janko did increase his scoring from year 1-2 and found a niche on the PK. I agree he is too soft for his size

I think Peters should just tell Janko they are killing a penalty every time he gets a shift. He's a different player in that role - hard and aggressive on the puck, eager to get up ice, takes shots, etc.