Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > Fire on Ice: The Calgary Flames Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-01-2019, 02:41 PM   #181
ClubFlames
Posted the 2 millionth post!
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw View Post
7.5 .... a million less per year than Aho giving up his last RFA (9M qualifying offer) and first UFA year. NO the price has just gone up.

All the comments on Draistl's bad contract will have to be expunged from the record.
Can't wait till you offer a counter to your own post in the next 10 minutes.
__________________

ClubFlames is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2019, 02:43 PM   #182
Flamette
Backup Goalie
 
Flamette's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw View Post
How so? Find a purpose for the unused cap space? Provide a reason for a lockout?
Really?
Flamette is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2019, 02:45 PM   #183
PlayfulGenius
Franchise Player
 
PlayfulGenius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada View Post
What's the win for Montreal? I would think this is they type of deal the GM's hate the most because it dictates their contract for them. I would think most would prefer a big deal with major compensation so they can at least have options. There was no option for Carolina other than to match a deal that was written up by another GM.
It's a free spin of the roulette wheel... if Carolina can't match the signing bonus, they get a great player at a steal... if Montreal went much, much higher on the AAV, sure, it makes it more likely they get the player, buts there's the risk they overpay for the player, and they end up 'losing' in the long run.

This is a no-brainer for the Habs. They had some intel that the CAR owner might have a challenge in coughing up the signing bonus, so they took a shot... nothing to lose.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by LickTheEnvelope View Post
... Eakins' claims Gagne's line played Kessel's line even...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hells Bells View Post
Yeah, Gagner's line was -4 and Kessel's was +4, so it all evened out.
PlayfulGenius is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to PlayfulGenius For This Useful Post:
Old 07-01-2019, 03:03 PM   #184
Cliche
Powerplay Quarterback
 
Cliche's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Wherever you go there you are.
Exp:
Default

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl...180-story.html

Wrong owner, and I think the total bonus is about what was offered to fedorov.

I think Sakic had a ginormous bonus contract as well.

I think Walt had a problem with St. Louis at the time and sat out part of the season to renegotiate his contract.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

although better with the cap in place.
Still waiting for the Bobby Holik contract.

The other thing brought up is that the contract is 5 years, so if at the end of the contract, Aho could be in line for another big payday especially as a ufa.

This contract only buys 1 year of UFA status. Would have been more friendly to the team if the contract was longer as this ends at the 27 year year old season.
-
Cliche is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2019, 03:10 PM   #185
flamesgod
Powerplay Quarterback
 
flamesgod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Saskatoon
Exp:
Default

This gives me hope that Tkachuks contract could start with a 7.
flamesgod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2019, 03:21 PM   #186
atb
First Line Centre
 
atb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Exp:
Default

Can Carolina match the offer than trade Aho? Assuming they can and may get a better return than the picks (assuming the pay structure is enough to cause a trade).
atb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2019, 03:26 PM   #187
dissentowner
Franchise Player
 
dissentowner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by atb View Post
Can Carolina match the offer than trade Aho? Assuming they can and may get a better return than the picks (assuming the pay structure is enough to cause a trade).
No, if they match they can't trade him for a year.
dissentowner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2019, 03:26 PM   #188
AC
Resident Videologist
 
AC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by atb View Post
Can Carolina match the offer than trade Aho? Assuming they can and may get a better return than the picks (assuming the pay structure is enough to cause a trade).
Not for a year, in which time he'll have already been paid over $21M in signing bonuses.
AC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2019, 04:27 PM   #189
sureLoss
Some kinda newsbreaker!
 
sureLoss's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
Exp:
Default

One scenario that could theoretically happen is that the Habs and Canes negotiate a trade for not matching.

Consider, Player A and Prospect B from the Habs known as Trade Package 1.

Canes don't match get the Habs 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and Habs get Aho. Canes then trade the picks back to the Habs for Trade Package 1.

In effect the Canes trade Aho for Player A and Prospect B in that hypothetical scenario and perhaps getting more value than just a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.
sureLoss is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to sureLoss For This Useful Post:
Old 07-01-2019, 09:03 PM   #190
442scotty
First Line Centre
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Exp:
Default

I think Carolina will wait till the last minute then match which should prevent Montreal from offer sheeting anyone else I believe?
442scotty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2019, 09:04 PM   #191
Strange Brew
Franchise Player
 
Strange Brew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss View Post
One scenario that could theoretically happen is that the Habs and Canes negotiate a trade for not matching.

Consider, Player A and Prospect B from the Habs known as Trade Package 1.

Canes don't match get the Habs 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and Habs get Aho. Canes then trade the picks back to the Habs for Trade Package 1.

In effect the Canes trade Aho for Player A and Prospect B in that hypothetical scenario and perhaps getting more value than just a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.
This is an interesting possibility. Right now, the compensation for Carolina is a bit of a joke. The Islanders received more when they traded Hamonic.

You could see Carolina being enticed here if the cash flow considerations of the deal offered give them pause.
Strange Brew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2019, 09:16 PM   #192
Weitz
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 442scotty View Post
I think Carolina will wait till the last minute then match which should prevent Montreal from offer sheeting anyone else I believe?
Well assuming all the RFAs sign in a week then sure they won’t be able to offer sheet anyone.
Weitz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2019, 09:51 PM   #193
cral12
First Line Centre
 
cral12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

https://twitter.com/user/status/1145766869661437953
__________________
Founder: Upside Hockey & Trail Lynx; Upside on Bluesky & Instagram & Substack; Author of Raised by Rocks, Moved by Mountains
cral12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2019, 10:13 PM   #194
nik-
Franchise Player
 
nik-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada View Post
What the hell happened here?
That embarrassing moment when you thought you'd switched over to your puppet account
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterJoji View Post
Johnny eats garbage and isn’t 100% committed.
nik- is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to nik- For This Useful Post:
Old 07-02-2019, 09:59 AM   #195
sureLoss
Some kinda newsbreaker!
 
sureLoss's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
Exp:
Default

Chip Alexander
@ice_chip
Just talked to Tom Dundon. Says Canes will match the Aho offer. Announcement should come soon. Says Canes "love the player.
sureLoss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2019, 10:02 AM   #196
Icon
Franchise Player
 
Icon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

So if the Canes match... do the Habs offer sheet Point next? Same agent as Aho.

I think Point probably wants to stay in Tampa (why wouldn't you)... With the rumblings Marner wants out of Toronto maybe he becomes a target?

They'd have to up the offer for either though.
Icon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2019, 10:06 AM   #197
dino7c
Franchise Player
 
dino7c's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss View Post
Chip Alexander
@ice_chip
Just talked to Tom Dundon. Says Canes will match the Aho offer. Announcement should come soon. Says Canes "love the player.
If they love him so much why didn't they just pony up the reasonable 8.4M?
__________________
GFG
dino7c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2019, 10:06 AM   #198
Stanley
First Line Centre
 
Stanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Exp:
Default

Forgive my lack of RFA knowledge but...I assume the player has no say here? Like, what if Carolina matches but Aho still wanted to play for the Habs? If Canes match he has no choice but to re-sign with the Canes?
Stanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2019, 10:09 AM   #199
DeluxeMoustache
 
DeluxeMoustache's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c View Post
If they love him so much why didn't they just pony up the reasonable 8.4M?
Why haven’t the Flames signed Tkachuk yet, the Leafs signed Marner , TB signed Point, etc?
DeluxeMoustache is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to DeluxeMoustache For This Useful Post:
Old 07-02-2019, 10:09 AM   #200
transplant99
Fearmongerer
 
transplant99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Icon View Post
So if the Canes match... do the Habs offer sheet Point next? Same agent as Aho.

I think Point probably wants to stay in Tampa (why wouldn't you)... With the rumblings Marner wants out of Toronto maybe he becomes a target?

They'd have to up the offer for either though.
Only if he is willing to sign it....so again unless the Lightning are cash strapped, the offer will have to be much bigger.

Same with Marner.

I think there may be something to the Point possibility though...they are in a big crunch cap space wise as well as they have 3 RFA guys with arb rights.
transplant99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:47 AM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy