[Rumour] UPD: Flames sign Cam Talbot (1yr, $2.75mil)

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

It would be pretty silly to want to dump him if that’s what I thought, wouldn’t it?

The fact remains that Rittich’s career high Sv% is 0.911, which is completely average among NHL goalies. And he’s a complete wild card with only two years of NHL experience behind him, so to say he could be a bonafide NHL starter is complete guesswork on your part.

Lehner is only 13 months older and has played 9 seasons in the NHL already (albeit the first two or three were very small sample sizes). And has several seasons where he was far above average, including a few extended seasons with a 0.920+ Sv% - something this team has not been able to enjoy since Kipper.

People were brushing off Bishop as well, saying he’d be too expensive, and what that got us is more bargain bin goalies who couldn’t get it done. Sometimes you have to pony up and take some risks to solve a weakness for your team, because relying solely on hope and reclamation projects doesn’t generally get you very far when you’re in your window to contend. The same thing was happening during the Iggy/Kipper years with the rotating carousel of bargain bin “1st line” centres.

You can’t look at Rittich’s save percentage in the aggregate. You forgot that all his less than average play can be explained away by lingering injuries or difficult starts.

If it was me, I’m signing Rittich to no more than a 2 yer deal, unless he is willing to accept nothing more than backup money.

Flames have little choice but to gamble a little at the goalie position. At least let’s limit the long term downside risk.

[FBI]

I'm cautiously optimistic, but one thing is for certain, I prefer Talbot over bringing Smith back!

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Not a fan. I know people rest their hope on Talbot being overplayed in Edmonton and losing his game, but I don't buy that as an excuse. I just don't think he was ever that good to begin with. He had good numbers as a back-up with no pressure in NY, but he wouldn't be the first back-up goalie to have decent numbers only to crash and burn later (Toskala, Scrivens, Reimer all come to mind instantly).

But if he is signing a one-year deal, he must be confident that he will have a lot of more negotiating power next year, so he definitely believes in himself.

I won't rag on him any more until I see results.

You have to concede he had some great early success with the Oilers. Not just as a backup with the Rangers.

The trend line isn’t positive obviously but Sigalet hasn’t gotten his hands on him yet.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Sigalet hasn’t gotten his hands on him yet.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

You have to concede he had some great early success with the Oilers. Not just as a backup with the Rangers.

The trend line isn’t positive obviously but Sigalet hasn’t gotten his hands on him yet.

True, 3 seasons ago. He is 31 now, so hopefully he isn’t the type of goalie that peaks and then falls off sharply.

I have come to the conclusion that what you see is usually what you get, and last year Talbot was just not good.

I mean, he did choose the Oilers over the Flames the first time, it’s not out of the question that he is no good.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

True, 3 seasons ago. He is 31 now, so hopefully he isn’t the type of goalie that peaks and then falls off sharply.

I have come to the conclusion that what you see is usually what you get, and last year Talbot was just not good.

I mean, he did choose the Oilers over the Flames the first time, it’s not out of the question that he is no good.

How's that? Talbot was acquired by the Oilers in a trade. He did not have much of a choice in it.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

True, 3 seasons ago. He is 31 now, so hopefully he isn’t the type of goalie that peaks and then falls off sharply.

I have come to the conclusion that what you see is usually what you get, and last year Talbot was just not good.

I mean, he did choose the Oilers over the Flames the first time, it’s not out of the question that he is no good.

On the bright side, Talbot can likely provide at least 2018/19 Mike Smith-level goaltending this year. Unfortunately, it means goaltending will be our biggest question mark heading into this season...again. Even worse, with a one year deal, it'll likely be our biggest issue to address next off-season too.

Personally, I'd rather have Mrazek or Varlamov on a 2-3 year deal, around $4M. If Rittich overtakes one of them as the starter, the money isn't crippling. If not, we at least have two serviceable guys. If we had to buyout Mike Stone to do it, I'd be all for it.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

How's that? Talbot was acquired by the Oilers in a trade. He did not have much of a choice in it.

He did sign the 3 year extension and stay in Edmonton instead of just getting out of there but they dropped $12.5M on his lap.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I disagree. Everything we know about GMBT tells us he is very thorough.
So I'm sure they have assessed and ruled out Lehner on the basis of
- They don't want him
- He has no interest in coming here
- They don't think they can afford him

maybe, but that's not what I've read... according to reports, Lehner hasn't talked to anyone other than NYI, by HIS choice, but that hoas now apparently changed and he's open to other teams... if I were Treliving, that'd change the overall landscape of options, which hopefully (and assumedly) he's on top of it. If so, that'd mean the deal with Talbot is now possibly contingent, and not a sure thing.

For me, personally, I'd rather have Lehner over Talbot, at equal money. That's likely consensus... if Lehner wants $6Mx5yrs and Talbot only $2Mx1yr, well, that's very different, obviously.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

maybe, but that's not what I've read... according to reports, Lehner hasn't talked to anyone other than NYI, by HIS choice, but that hoas now apparently changed and he's open to other teams... if I were Treliving, that'd change the overall landscape of options, which hopefully (and assumedly) he's on top of it. If so, that'd mean the deal with Talbot is now possibly contingent, and not a sure thing.

The Flames don't have the 7M + in cap space it would take to sign Lehner. I don't think its in the realm of things the Flames can do July 1.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by FBI

I'm cautiously optimistic, but one thing is for certain, I prefer Talbot over bringing Smith back!

Amen to this

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

How's that? Talbot was acquired by the Oilers in a trade. He did not have much of a choice in it.

My mistake, I thought he was a free agent. He still signed with that dumpster fire.

I can’t help but get a Brian Boucher vibe from him the way he plays and carries himself. And the fact both had short durations where they were lights out only to fall hard afterwards.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The Flames don't have the 7M + in cap space it would take to sign Lehner. I don't think its in the realm of things the Flames can do July 1.

True... I guess if Lehner was only asking for $4M, the NYI would've signed him already

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

On the bright side, Talbot can likely provide at least 2018/19 Mike Smith-level goaltending this year. Unfortunately, it means goaltending will be our biggest question mark heading into this season...again. Even worse, with a one year deal, it'll likely be our biggest issue to address next off-season too.

Personally, I'd rather have Mrazek or Varlamov on a 2-3 year deal, around $4M. If Rittich overtakes one of them as the starter, the money isn't crippling. If not, we at least have two serviceable guys. If we had to buyout Mike Stone to do it, I'd be all for it.

Sure, I think every GM would jump on that, but in reality land someone will blow their brains out on a long term 6 or 7 million dollar deal for Varlamov, Mrazek or Lehner

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

True... I guess if Lehner was only asking for $4M, the NYI would've signed him already

Not necessarily. The Isles are trying to land Bob & Bread so why commit any money to free agents until you know you are in or out on that sweepstakes. Need to keep the cash available.

[albertGQ]

Is any poster working to confirm the dollar figure? I'm curious if it's a cheap "show me" money

[Buff]

Lehner saying it may not work to get a deal signed with NYI is likely just him trying to leverage a better deal for himself.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

My mistake, I thought he was a free agent. He still signed with that dumpster fire.

I can’t help but get a Brian Boucher vibe from him the way he plays and carries himself. And the fact both had short durations where they were lights out only to fall hard afterwards.

That’s got to be the most nonsensical comparison I’ve seen on here as far back as I can remember.

Boucher
328 GP - .901SV%

Talbot
288 GP - .915SV%

Comparing Talbot to a guy who only once played in more than 41 games (over 13 years) and managed a SV% over .915 3 times (all in a backup role) and a SV% below .900 7 times?

Boucher was never lights out. Boucher never had more than a single season period as a backup where he was “good” as the 3 times he did post above a .915 were bookended by sub-.900 seasons.

Talbot has one bad season and suddenly he’s Brian Boucher. Ridiculous.

[BrennyBaller]

Expect it to be $2.75M

[cral12]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That’s got to be the most nonsensical comparison I’ve seen on here as far back as I can remember.

Boucher
328 GP - .901SV%

Talbot
288 GP - .915SV%

Comparing Talbot to a guy who only once played in more than 41 games (over 13 years) and managed a SV% over .915 3 times (all in a backup role) and a SV% below .900 7 times?

Boucher was never lights out. Boucher never had more than a single season period as a backup where he was “good” as the 3 times he did post above a .915 were bookended by sub-.900 seasons.

Talbot has one bad season and suddenly he’s Brian Boucher. Ridiculous.

"...Brian Boucher remembers everything about his record-breaking shutout streak like it happened yesterday.

He remembers the second his historic shutout streak started, each team he blanked during the run as the goalie for the Phoenix Coyotes, to the standing ovations, to the records he set, to the bad break that finally snapped him back into reality.

"It started at Nashville," Boucher said. "I gave up a goal in the last few seconds of the second period. It could have been longer if I didn't give up that darn goal late in the second."

Boucher, who now works as a broadcaster for NBC, holds the modern-day NHL records for most consecutive shutouts with five and the longest shutout streak at 332:01. Each record previously belonged to Gary Durnan, who had four consecutive shutouts and a shutout streak of 309:21 in 1949 while playing for the Montreal Canadiens."

https://www.nhl.com/news/centennial-...ak/c-285465160