[Rumour] Friedman: Frolik trade rumors; Devils possible destination

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Poison

Straight stats are a lovely thing. Too bad it doesnt show the timely turnovers Mr Brodie had on a nightly basis. I guess our young D are out of shape snails
Stupidity indeed.

The problem is that you pure conjecture to counteract stats isn't helping your argument. Now if we all sat down and counted the "timely turnovers" together, then maybe it would be something usable to discredit stats. You are arguing your opinion as fact to discredit the stats of the Flames #2D that aided Gio to become the teams first ever Norris trophy winner.

[The Professor]

Why do you all keep responding to this guy. You're wrecking yet another thread! There's like six people having utterly repetitive arguments all at once with the same person.

[transplant99]

The one thing about dealing Frolik is that he is the only natural RW on the club besides Neal at this point.

Im not saying he shouldn't be dealt, as it's almost a necessity at this point because of the need for cap room and Peters weird affinity towards him.

The team REALLY needs Neal to return to form or trade Brodie for someone in order to replace that loss.

[Brick]

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[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The one thing about dealing Frolik is that he is the only natural RW on the club besides Neal at this point.

Im not saying he shouldn't be dealt, as it's almost a necessity at this point because of the need for cap room and Peters weird affinity towards him.

The team REALLY needs Neal to return to form or trade Brodie for someone in order to replace that loss.

The crazy thing is that Frolik is a left shot RW, so he's not even a natural RW.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Poison

There is still nonetheless something to go off of.
Putting that aside ill ask you again then, if there was a replacement that could do Froliks role why hasnt it been done yet?

For the same reason that Andersson should not now be viewed as a PERMANENT replacement for Brodie. Other players took turns on the Backlund line when Frolik was out of the lineup.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Poison

Straight stats are a lovely thing. Too bad it doesnt show the timely turnovers Mr Brodie had on a nightly basis. I guess our young D are out of shape snails
Stupidity indeed.

*Edit*
Nevermind, pointless argument and in the wrong thread anyway

[SuperMatt18]

I like TJ Brodie, he has proven to be a very effective partner for Giordano, and I think we underestimate how it's still tough to play top pairing minutes along an elite d-man.

Buuuut the issue is his only real value to us is from playing on the top pairing with Gio, and if he's not playing there then he's a 3rd pairing d-man for us right now.

Over the last 3 seasons he's just not good when playing away from Gio:

Spoiler!

Over the last three seasons:

Brodie + Giordano

CF: 56.7%
HDCF%: 53.5%
xGF%: 54.0%

Together as a pairing they are elite. However Brodie is not good without Gio.

Brodie w/o Giordano

CF: 50.2%
HDCF%: 49.5%
xGF%: 57.8%

And the biggest strike against Brodie is that Giordano just keeps on being elite even when not paired with Brodie.

Giordano w/o Brodie

CF: 56.1%
HDCF%: 58.0%
xGF%: 56.2%

And the other issue for him is that he's also shown that Hamonic is much better away from Brodie - so really you aren't going to break up Hanifin-Hamonic for him.

Spoiler!

Hamonic + Brodie

CF: 51.5%
HDCF%: 52.4%
xGF%: 48.6%

Hamonic w/o Brodie

CF: 53.8%
HDCF%: 54.6%
xGF%: 54.4%

If the trade return isn't there I'd personally still keep him and play him on the top pairing since they are still good together and I think Gio really likes playing with Brodie. (Plus I think Valimaki - Andersson would be fine together on pair 3 even though they are young).

But I do get why management would be shopping him considering our cap situation. I don't think anybody is taking Stone/Neal, so it ends up being Brodie/Frolik you look at moving.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The one thing about dealing Frolik is that he is the only natural RW on the club besides Neal at this point.

The team REALLY needs Neal to return to form or trade Brodie for someone in order to replace that loss.

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

The crazy thing is that Frolik is a left shot RW, so he's not even a natural RW.

Yeah, same with Neal.

Think Andrew Mangiapane is a logical choice for the right side. Yeah it's his off-wing but he's a smart player, he'll be fine. Good nose for the net, two-way game, can skate. Once he adjusted to the NHL speed, got some confidence he really started to catch fire. Wouldn't surprise me to see him have that breakout we've been hoping Bennett has had.

Him and Dube can really change the fortures of this club, the way Valimaki, Rasmus and Kylington stepping up on D last year did.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

The crazy thing is that Frolik is a left shot RW, so he's not even a natural RW.

Very true, but that has been his position since he came into the league IIRC.

Calgary has the single weakest right side in the NHL i believe.

[TheScorpion]

Totally agree, Rando. I also wonder about the possibility of Jankowski shifting to the wing... did he ever do it in college or in Stockton? It just seems like playing the wing might suit him better.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Very true, but that has been his position since he came into the league IIRC.

Calgary has the single weakest right side in the NHL i believe.

The only reason Lazar even had a contract last year.
Beggars can't be choosers.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Calgary has the single weakest right side in the NHL i believe.

Not true. You seen Edmonton?

Kassian
Rattie (UFA)
Puljujarvi
Rieder (UFA)
Gambardella

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Not true. You seen Edmonton?

Kassian
Rattie (UFA)
Puljujarvi
Rieder (UFA)
Gambardella

NHL was the key word that you missed I believe

[Calgary4LIfe]

I really like Frolik. I think in a bubble, his worth is probably that of a 2nd round pick - MAYBE a late first for a team really needing to upgrade their forecheck and PK. However, the Flames need to dump cap space. To dump a 1 year contract for 4.3 million, the price goes down considerably. A 3rd would be great, but it is more likely a 4th or 5th. Frolik is still a useful player, and this is why the Flames are more than likely not having to attach a sweetener to move that contract without taking any cap in return.


I will miss him, but this team needs signing room. Wish him luck wherever he ends up.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Not true. You seen Edmonton?

Kassian
Rattie (UFA)
Puljujarvi
Rieder (UFA)
Gambardella

Don’t forget Draisaitl. He plays all positions.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Not true. You seen Edmonton?

Kassian
Rattie (UFA)
Puljujarvi (RFA - Asked for trade)
Rieder (UFA)
Gambardella

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Don’t forget Draisaitl. He plays all positions.

Even with Leon on the RW. That's still pretty darn weak!

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I seriously doubt it. It seems to me that posters here in general are realistic about the situation and understand that this would be a cap dump.

I still bet he is worth a third.

This year it was easy to forget he was still on the team, until his agent made a fuss.

[N-E-B]

I think Frolik could fetch a 3rd. That seems like a fair price for a guy who’s still useful and doesn’t have a bad contract. The cap space gained will be just as valuable as the pick IMO.

[dammage79]

Just so we are totally clear here. The only reason Brodie or Frolik are trade bait is solely based on asset management. Not play. I think we've gotten lost on that here.

Yes there are other options like Hamonic or....or...geeze I dont know who else you can cut from the fw group other than Frolik and his 1 year remaining contract.

Anyways. None of Brodie or Frolik suck, but they certainly aren't core foundational pieces. We need that cap space. And we need cheaper middle 6 rw options.

I dont think we have this conversation if all of Valimaki, Andersson and Kylington showed they can bring something to the table regularly at the NHL level.

Once again this is ASSET MANAGEMENT. Thanks for reading.