The Matthew Tkachuk contract negotiations

[transplant99]

At 8.5 AAV its not 4 1st rd picks.

Its
2-1sts
1-2nd
1-3rd

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

What are the ‘many reasons’?

If you are going to pretend an offer sheet is a realistic possibility, go ahead and identify a candidate team (has or could make moves to have compensatory pucks, has the cap space, and the need) and then a justification (ex why would the Rangers if they had space give up the second overall, plus 3 more first rounders for Tkachuk?)

I am in no way convinced that an offer sheet is at all a realistic threat or leverage point for Tkachuk.

Your understanding of how offer sheers work is completely off...which is why it seems unfathomable that a team would make one.

A team doesn't need to trade for 4 1st round picks this year to make an offer sheet. That would be next to impossible. It's their first round pick over the next 4 years...starting with the 2020 draft since free agents can't sign until after this year's draft. That means Colorado and NYR wouldn't be giving up their 2nd and 4th overall picks this year.

The NYR are a perfect example. Lots of UFAs want to sign there. With 2 firsts this year, they might figure they can afford to lose their 1st round picks the next 4 years, assuming (or hoping) they'll all be later picks anyway...especially if they bring on Tkachuk, manage to sign a star UFA, and add the 2nd overall pick to their team.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by transplant99

At 8.5 AAV its not 4 1st rd picks.

Its
2-1sts
1-2nd
1-3rd

8.5M on a 6 year deal would be 1st (x2), 2nd (x1), 3rd (x1).

8.5M on a 7 year deal would be 1st (x4).

The calculation is based off total value divided by 5 years, even if it's a 6/7/8 year contract.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

8.5M on a 6 year deal would be 1st (x2), 2nd (x1), 3rd (x1).

8.5M on a 7 year deal would be 1st (x4).

The calculation is based off total value divided by 5 years, even if it's a 6/7/8 year contract.

Either way, if I'm the Flames I have to let him go at that point.

[Flash Walken]

Lol, if you let tkachuk go for draft picks you might as well blow up the entire team because they don't make the playoffs without him.

What is going on in this thread?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Either way, if I'm the Flames I have to let him go at that point.

You don't let Tkachuk go over 8.5. Now 9.5 is a whole other ballgame.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Lol, if you let tkachuk go for draft picks you might as well blow up the entire team because they don't make the playoffs without him.

What is going on in this thread?

Well, that is a stretch. The Flames were SEVEN WINS and 17-POINTS clear of the post season cutoff. I am fairly doubtful that Tkachuk made that difference entirely on his own.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Either way, if I'm the Flames I have to let him go at that point.

You’d have to cave and match. But this could sour the two sides, so maybe he’d be moved after for parts that can make an immediate impact.

Still, I don’t see it coming to this.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, that is a stretch. The Flames were SEVEN WINS and 17-POINTS clear of the post season cutoff. I am fairly doubtful that Tkachuk made that difference entirely on his own.

Also with the added cap and picks they probably bring in a top 6 forward to replace him. Maybe not as good but it’s not like they would just leave a gaping hole in the lineup

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by neo45

Also with the added cap and picks they probably bring in a top 6 forward to replace him. Maybe not as good but it’s not like they would just leave a gaping hole in the lineup

Not to mention almost all teams in this kind of cap era can go up and down the standings in a hurry. 4 firsts over 4 years is almost certainly 1 or 2 years of lottery picks. Very few teams set up to give tkachuk a contract the flames can't match without signing him to a bad deal that potentially cripples their cap at some point

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, that is a stretch. The Flames were SEVEN WINS and 17-POINTS clear of the post season cutoff. I am fairly doubtful that Tkachuk made that difference entirely on his own.

I can't believe this is a serious opinion.

[Erick Estrada]

Better players than Tkachuk have not seen offer sheets and I simply don't see this as anything the Flames have to worry about as that's the silly line of thinking that played into the Oilers paying Draisaitl more than they had to.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Better players than Tkachuk have not seen offer sheets and I simply don't see this as anything the Flames have to worry about as that's the silly line of thinking that played into the Oilers paying Draisaitl more than they had to.

I'm not sure that they have to fixate over it, but I doubt they are simply ignoring the possibility either.

The Rangers are in the perfect position to do something like this.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Either way, if I'm the Flames I have to let him go at that point.

You'd let Tkachuk go over a 6-7 year $8.5M contract?

Lmaoooo

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I can't believe this is a serious opinion.

How unsurprising from you to take an extreme position and then insist that anything more tempered is somehow incredulous. Tkachuk is not even the Flames best player, and I am not certain that any single one of them makes enough of a difference between winning the Pacific Division and making the playoffs.

It's a laughable—but typical—drive by.

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[ToraToraTora]

JFC. Is it hockey season again, yet?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

You'd let Tkachuk go over a 6-7 year $8.5M contract?

Lmaoooo

I don't think Treliving would because he loves him but I probably think long and hard (have to look at the team making the offer and how they project over 4 years) if it means 4 x 1st round picks in return. I don't think Tkachuk's skating is going to get better and it's already not very good and I think the Rangers for example will be picking top 10/15 for a few years. Tough decision IMO if the right team signs him and is willing to forego four 1st's as four straight seasons of two 1st round picks provides a team so many options of trading up to get an elite talent.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

You'd let Tkachuk go over a 6-7 year $8.5M contract?

Lmaoooo

I think any time someone you have a chance to add four 1st round picks to your coffers, you do it. It's not even about the player at that point.

A 4-1st offer sheet gives you eight picks in the first round over the next four years. You can replace Matthew Tkachuk with that influx of assets and cap space.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I think any time someone you have a chance to add four 1st round picks to your coffers, you do it. It's not even about the player at that point.



A 4-1st offer sheet gives you eight picks in the first round over the next four years. You can replace Matthew Tkachuk with that influx of assets and cap space.

Maybe we could even find a Tkachuk with all those picks. Probably not though because they would all be mid to late picks most likely.

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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Maybe we could even find a Tkachuk with all those picks. Probably not though because they would all be mid to late picks most likely.

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LOL I would hope you could parlay eight 1st round picks in a 4 year period or into a player just as good or better if not two and as well as a couple of players that could slot into your top 6 forwards and top 4 defense. There's ample ammunition there to trade up in at least a couple of drafts to pick in the top 10 or even top 5. Valimaki was a mid round pick remember.