A Game of Thrones **BOOKS OFF LIMITS** v2

[CaptainCrunch]

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[Fuzz]

Sadly I think we now need another rule for these types of threads about shows...do not post betting odds! Turned out to be a massive spoiler.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Seriously though, in the GoT world, the peace would last about 5 min. It won’t take long until people get sick of having an emo kid in power with no governing or leadership experience. His council is made up of a bunch of noobs and outcasts. His master of coin didn’t even know how interest in a loan works a few seasons ago. His first act of king was to grant independence to one of the kingdoms because they used their words. How long until the other six do the same and what would Bran the Sulky do about it? Not to mention that a good portion of the population won’t like that Jon Snow was banished for doing what most would have to see as saving their cities from being burned.

I have to agree.


Plus Jon isn't actually at the Night's Watch. He seems to be just free roaming and unsupervised up North. It's only a matter of time until he meets some wildling girl and gets caught up building an army of wildings.

Some ambitious son from one of the other houses is going to want to take over eventually. Things are fine now, but will change when the houses build themselves back up and you have 10 heirs all wanting more. I can't see the ironborn accepting rule, when the Starks don't have to.

I think that's kind of the point of the show though. It was kind of a wire type resetting, where new people fill the old niches. And Dany, as the mad ruler, was just another part of the wheel she tried to break.

[GGG]

If we are nitpicking and I will repeat I enjoyed the show and ending.

The instant Sansa declared Northern independence Dorne would have followed along with the iron islands. All of the geographicaly isolated kingdoms. The Vale probably follows as well since it can’t be conquered. The rest might stay together.

A ruling Council of Westeros if independent kingdoms with Bran at its head would have been more reasonable than Bran as king.

Also why keep Arya alive if she wasn’t going to faceless man anyone. Her dying in Kings Landing would have been a good end for her. Get on the white horse and ride off to Ned.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by blankall

I have to agree.


Plus Jon isn't actually at the Night's Watch. He seems to be just free roaming and unsupervised up North. It's only a matter of time until he meets some wildling girl and gets caught up building an army of wildings.

Some ambitious son from one of the other houses is going to want to take over eventually. Things are fine now, but will change when the houses build themselves back up and you have 10 heirs all wanting more. I can't see the ironborn accepting rule, when the Starks don't have to.

I think that's kind of the point of the show though. It was kind of a wire type resetting, where new people fill the old niches. And Dany, as the mad ruler, was just another part of the wheel she tried to break.

Is the Night's Watch even a thing anymore? Theres no more 'Wildlings' per se, theres no more White Walkers, theres no more threat, just a bunch of weirdos who like to live in the cold.

Like Norwegians.

[dammage79]

Jon being named the Lord Commander of the Nights watch was a full pardon for his crime instead of a punishment. He Loved being up there out of the way. Was pulled into the great war and fell for Dany and that part of his life ended when he killed Dany and her crazyness. There was nothing more for Jon in the south after that.

Thats two loves he lost now. Ygritte and Dany. I think he felt more for Ygritte. Going back north of the wall takes him closer to that peace he found.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Jon being named the Lord Commander of the Nights watch was a full pardon for his crime instead of a punishment. He Loved being up there out of the way. Was pulled into the great war and fell for Dany and that part of his life ended when he killed Dany and her crazyness. There was nothing more for Jon in the south after that.

Thats two loves he lost now. Ygritte and Dany. I think he felt more for Ygritte. Going back north of the wall takes him closer to that peace he found.

He kinda killed them both. I think he has to take a little responsibility for that.

Its the definition of GRRM's 'actions have consequences.'

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Originally Posted by GGG

If we are nitpicking and I will repeat I enjoyed the show and ending.

The instant Sansa declared Northern independence Dorne would have followed along with the iron islands. All of the geographicaly isolated kingdoms. The Vale probably follows as well since it can’t be conquered. The rest might stay together.

A ruling Council of Westeros if independent kingdoms with Bran at its head would have been more reasonable than Bran as king.

Also why keep Arya alive if she wasn’t going to faceless man anyone. Her dying in Kings Landing would have been a good end for her. Get on the white horse and ride off to Ned.

There are advantages to staying in a coalition. The vale who is married into the Stark family has incentive to start a part of things. Same with house Tully. Dorne always has some degree of autonomy due to the desert environment and geographic isolation.

The Ironborn are probably too depleted to rebel now, but that's only temporary.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Seriously though, in the GoT world, the peace would last about 5 min. It won’t take long until people get sick of having an emo kid in power with no governing or leadership experience. His council is made up of a bunch of noobs and outcasts. His master of coin didn’t even know how interest in a loan works a few seasons ago. His first act of king was to grant independence to one of the kingdoms because they used their words. How long until the other six do the same and what would Bran the Sulky do about it? Not to mention that a good portion of the population won’t like that Jon Snow was banished for doing what most would have to see as saving their cities from being burned.

I see Westeros as primed for a golden age. Everyone's army but Dornes is exhausted, and Dorne has no interest in conquering Westeros, that alone will buy a few years of peace, and during those years Westeros is probably going to have the best governance it has ever hide. The king is benevolent and omnipotent, and the council is intelligent, experienced and just wants to rule well. Except for Bronn, but Tyrion shouldn't have much trouble reining him in. By the time the realm is healthy enough to go to war again , I don't think there will be much interest.

It won't be all Sunshine and Lollipops, but I'd imagine everyone on the council will find the rest of their lives very boring compared to what what do they have been through.

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Originally Posted by Matata

I see Westeros as primed for a golden age. Everyone's army but Dornes is exhausted, and Dorne has no interest in conquering Westeros, that alone will buy a few years of peace, and during those years Westeros is probably going to have the best governance it has ever hide. The king is benevolent and omnipotent, and the council is intelligent, experienced and just wants to rule well. Except for Bronn, but Tyrion shouldn't have much trouble reining him in. By the time the realm is healthy enough to go to war again , I don't think there will be much interest.

It won't be all Sunshine and Lollipops, but I'd imagine everyone on the council will find the rest of their lives very boring compared to what what do they have been through.

The leaders seem to inexperienced and too much of the country has been leveled. By the time things are rebuilt, the armies will be back at full power again.


If anything, Westeros just fell out of a golden era. Leaders like Tywin and Olenna, despite their ruthlessness, also built up their respective houses.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Locke

Is the Night's Watch even a thing anymore? Theres no more 'Wildlings' per se, theres no more White Walkers, theres no more threat, just a bunch of weirdos who like to live in the cold.

Like Norwegians.

They also showed plants growing beyond the wall. It looked like winter was retreating up there. There are also huge portions of the wall that have been torn down.

Nobody likes the unsullied, and they are all gone now anyways.

The whole thing just seemed like a ploy by Sansa to put Starks in powerful places.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by blankall

They also showed plants growing beyond the wall. It looked like winter was retreating up there. There are also huge portions of the wall that have been torn down.

Nobody likes the unsullied, and they are all gone now anyways.

The whole thing just seemed like a ploy by Sansa to put Starks in powerful places.

The Unsullied are a self fulfilling self-exctinctionism prophecy.

On their own they cant make more of them so all you gotta do is wait them out.

Basic Biology.

Unless they unite, steal children and do horrible things to them. But that cant be helped.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Locke

The Unsullied are a self fulfilling self-exctinctionism prophecy.

On their own they cant make more of them so all you gotta do is wait them out.

Basic Biology.

Unless they unite, steal children and do horrible things to them. But that cant be helped.

I remember snickering a bit at the part where they gave the Unsullied their own house with the troops as banner men.



Unless they can go out and kidnap themselves some buxom females and sperm donors its a one generation house.


I honestly felt bad for Grey Worm, in the end he ended up being what he was at the start. A mindless child soldier slave.

[Azure]

A lot of people are saying that Bran played the 'game' the best and therefore won the throne.

If that was the idea all along, then it is even more disappointing because the writers didn't even bother developing the story that way, because Bran was clearly manipulating things his way then.

To me the episode ended on a somber, but good note, but not in a GoT way. Just terrible all around.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Locke

The Unsullied are a self fulfilling self-exctinctionism prophecy.

On their own they cant make more of them so all you gotta do is wait them out.

Basic Biology.

Unless they unite, steal children and do horrible things to them. But that cant be helped.

The Dothraki and the unsullied seem like polar opposites too. Without Dany to keep the Dothraki in line, I can't see them being all chummy with the unsullied any longer. Their whole society is basically a penis measuring contest, and the unsullied aren't winning that war.

If the unsullied hadn't left, the Westerosy would've demolished them.

I actually see the unsullied as a good replacement for the golden company. The golden company need more mercenaries and the unsullied can't do anything else.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Azure

A lot of people are saying that Bran played the 'game' the best and therefore won the throne.

If that was the idea all along, then it is even more disappointing because the writers didn't even bother developing the story that way, because Bran was clearly manipulating things his way then.

To me the episode ended on a somber, but good note, but not in a GoT way. Just terrible all around.

Okay....if anyone is saying that Bran 'played the game' then you should disregard anything and everything they said.

There might be a case to be made that he manipulated certain events as the Three-Eyed Raven, but its highly unlikely that he did so to effect this particular sequence of events.

I think the major hope is that by having Humanity's Memory (literally) as the King of Humanity that it will negate the repetition of prior mistakes.

"They who forget history are doomed to repeat it."

Shouldnt be a problem with Bran.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by blankall

The Dothraki and the unsullied seem like polar opposites too. Without Dany to keep the Dothraki in line, I can't see them being all chummy with the unsullied any longer. Their whole society is basically a penis measuring contest, and the unsullied aren't winning that war.

If the unsullied hadn't left, the Westerosy would've demolished them.

I actually see the unsullied as a good replacement for the golden company. The golden company need more mercenaries and the unsullied can't do anything else.

Very good point, the Dothraki are wild warriors while the Unsullied are disciplined warriors, they are polar opposites.

In true GoT fashion though I'd see them basically destroy each other before uniting. Without a common leader or cause these two groups are oil and water.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Locke

Okay....if anyone is saying that Bran 'played the game' then you should disregard anything and everything they said.



There might be a case to be made that he manipulated certain events as the Three-Eyed Raven, but its highly unlikely that he did so to effect this particular sequence of events.



I think the major hope is that by having Humanity's Memory (literally) as the King of Humanity that it will negate the repetition of prior mistakes.



"They who forget history are doomed to repeat it."



Shouldnt be a problem with Bran.

I didn’t see any evidence that he can control events apart from sharing information that leads to consequences - e.g. about Littlefinger and Jon - and perhaps warging into an animal to attack someone though he didn’t really do that. The Hodor time-shifting episode still puzzles me but I still don’t see it as evidence that he can control time or people. The jury is still out whether he can see the future but if so he didn’t really let on except in the final conclave where he said the reason he came was that he was ready to accept the crown and perhaps his calm demeanour when the NK was about to off him. Overall I found his character enigmatic and too subtle to understand what he was really up to.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Locke

Okay....if anyone is saying that Bran 'played the game' then you should disregard anything and everything they said.

There might be a case to be made that he manipulated certain events as the Three-Eyed Raven, but its highly unlikely that he did so to effect this particular sequence of events.

I think the major hope is that by having Humanity's Memory (literally) as the King of Humanity that it will negate the repetition of prior mistakes.

"They who forget history are doomed to repeat it."

Shouldnt be a problem with Bran.

But what is Bran doing as King? He is not a decision making kind of guy. Nor much of a communicator. Now he suddenly will make sure people stop making the same mistakes?

The one point he felt he had to make this season was that Jon needed to know about his lineage. Why did he feel that way?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I didn’t see any evidence that he can control events apart from sharing information that leads to consequences - e.g. about Littlefinger and Jon - and perhaps warging into an animal to attack someone though he didn’t really do that. The Hodor time-shifting episode still puzzles me but I still don’t see it as evidence that he can control time or people. The jury is still out whether he can see the future but if so he didn’t really let on except in the final conclave where he said the reason he came was that he was ready to accept the crown and perhaps his calm demeanour when the NK was about to off him. Overall I found his character enigmatic and too subtle to understand what he was really up to.

I think the Hodor incident showed that he could very directly influence and control events.