to be fair to Euron I didn't think Jaime was gonna be able to take that long dagger to the kidneys like a champ. I thought that type of stab resistance was limited to Arya and the Mountain. pisses me off even more that awesome manly men like Robert Baratheon and Drogo bit the dust cause they didn't have neosporin handy.
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I would say those decisions were more akin with having to burn Cercei's meat shields. Dany made the choice to zig zag up and down King's Landing killing as many as possible.
It would have been better of the writers:
1. Gave evidence of this next level maliciousness or insanity along the way; or
2. Gave at least some motivation for why Dany would hate the average citizen of King's Landing. Perhaps she sees them as an elite that economically enslaves the rest of the world? Instead, the citizens were built up more as hostages of Cercei, and Dany just torched them without any reason.
All we really got was "people like Jon better than me" and "I don't like Cersei", so now everyone gets it. There's definitely a leap both logically and in terms of Dany's previous behaviour. Once again I chock this up to how weak episodes 1-4 were, and thought episode 5 was remarkable at accomplishing what it set out to do.
Yeah, she pretty much explicitly states this to Jon though.
When she tried to kiss him, she says "it's fear then" or something similar.
She's saying at that point she knows the people in Westeros will never love her, so if she's going to rule (which she is), she's going to have to rule by fear. At that point she's decided she's going to wreck King's landing no matter what.
When the city surrenders, she loses it because she wanted to destroy that city so no one would ever challenger her ever again. She doesn't want anyone to even think "Hey that Jon Snow guy who did what he could to limit the destruction in King's Landing, who took the surrender of the Lanniser Army, he's a good guy, he should be King."
When the city surrenders, something Tyrion and Jon wanted to happen, she sees that as another sign that people love Jon, so they have to fear her, and by the 7 gods she's gonna make sure they fear her.
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She tried to send them to the wall and Randall refused since she wasn't his Queen.
Dany's always been a little crazy and vengeful, fire and brimstone first. It's only been because of her advisors she's chosen the path of peace several times. In with the Tarley's it was Tyrion's advice about the wall, she was ready to burn them unless they bent the first initially.
The articles carefully chronicles how this 'turn' is well within her, but then follows with a whole section titled this
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Was that believable for her character in the moment? To me, it came off a bit like Benioff and Weiss jumped the gun, trying to reach the denouement that Martin seems to have told them is coming without finding a convincing path there.
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It should have been obvious when she started to call her dragons "her children" that she was mad. She's like a super 'dog mom' and we know how unhinged those people are.
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It should have been obvious when she started to call her dragons "her children" that she was mad. She's like a super 'dog mom' and we know how unhinged those people are.
I mean she did go into a fire with 3 stones and came out with 3 dragons.
It should have been obvious when she started to call her dragons "her children" that she was mad. She's like a super 'dog mom' and we know how unhinged those people are.
Scale babies?
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The senseless rape and murder taking place during the battle is analogous to what Dany did to the city. People do things in war that they would never do in civil society, like raping and murdering innocents. She did the same, but on a massive scale and without anyone that could hold her back. She threw the rule book out the window when she refused to have civil beliefs check her base desires. It was madness in the sense of giving in to the worst sides of her nature and choosing to let her most negative desires and emotions run wild, letting her fear, hatred and desire to dominate free when everyone was helpless to defy her.
Her plan may have been to use fear against others to rule, but throughout her story she has always held back from embracing the absolute power of her dragons in the interest of maintaining relationships. Rape, murder and destruction are what happened when she gave up on being civil. Life became nasty, brutish and short for everyone who didn't have power and things like honour went out the window. It fit in well with the themes of the whole story from the beginning.
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D&D trying to cram it into six episodes has turned out to be a story nightmare...and then there's this
And this is the thing people that liked the season and dislike the season so far can all agree on - it would have been better if they just had taken the time to go just a little slower.
It didn't even have to be the normal 10 episodes per season that we had up until season 6.
Even just 8 episodes in each of season 7 and season 8 would have went a long way.
3 more episodes to flesh out the story they were trying to get to with just a little more of that character progression and development.
Plus I really think the season was hurt by not having time to let the relationship between Jon, Dany, Sansa, Varys, and Tyrion simmer between the battle of winterfell and the raid on Kings Landing.
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It should have been obvious when she started to call her dragons "her children" that she was mad. She's like a super 'dog mom' and we know how unhinged those people are.
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She is prob an anti vaxxer too.
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If you can't handle her when she's burning down King's Landing, you don't deserve her when she's freeing the slaves.
Clearly, the Starbucks cup last week wasn't a production mistake, it was foreshadowing. That was some serious pumpkin spiced "I'd like to speak to the manager" stuff last night.
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To be fair with the Dany stuff, I think we've done a lot to excuse her behaviour as we've seen the reasons she's made her choices but even the first season synopsis of her life would point to a crazed person more than a cherished leader.
She is taught that the Throne is her family's by right and anyone who doesn't support her family's claim are traitors. She is taught this by her incestuous brother who sells her to barbarians. She falls in love with the man who rapes her after she is forced to marry him. She revels in her brother's gruesome death at the hands of her rapist-husband. When she has a stillborn baby she blames the witch she hired to save her rapist-husband from infection. She again revels in death, this time when she burns the witch alive during the funeral pyre of the love-of-her-life-rapist. Oh, and then she gets into the funeral pyre.
I mean, sure she hatched dragon eggs somehow and therefore we tend to gloss over all that other stuff but that doesn't exactly scream "well-adjusted person." And this was before she became a conqueror and faced numerous defeats, losses and betrayals.
To be fair with the Dany stuff, I think we've done a lot to excuse her behaviour as we've seen the reasons she's made her choices but even the first season synopsis of her life would point to a crazed person more than a cherished leader.
She is taught that the Throne is her family's by right and anyone who doesn't support her family's claim are traitors. She is taught this by her incestuous brother who sells her to barbarians. She falls in love with the man who rapes her after she is forced to marry him. She revels in her brother's gruesome death at the hands of her rapist-husband. When she has a stillborn baby she blames the witch she hired to save her rapist-husband from infection. She again revels in death, this time when she burns the witch alive during the funeral pyre of the love-of-her-life-rapist. Oh, and then she gets into the funeral pyre.
I mean, sure she hatched dragon eggs somehow and therefore we tend to gloss over all that other stuff but that doesn't exactly scream "well-adjusted person." And this was before she became a conqueror and faced numerous defeats, losses and betrayals.
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