[CP Story] Reactionary Roster Management

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

I would rather run:
Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Zucker-Backlund-Kapanen
Tkachuk-Kadri-Bennett
Mangiapane-Ryan-Hathaway

That would be awesome

110% agree.

I threw mine together a little fast but that is by far the best lineup I could possibly imagine with those added players.

Let Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm focus solely on offense and give them as many Ozone starts as humanly possible

Drench Zucker-Backlund-Kapanen in defensive assignments against opposing teams' top players. That would be an absolutely incredible shut down line while also being able to provide fantastic secondary offense.

Tkachuk-Kadri-Bennett would be the most entertaining and annoying line in the NHL lmao. Provide fantastic secondary scoring while providing solid two-way play and being able to draw penalties at will.

Mangiapane-Ryan-Hathaway just keep on doing what you were doing.

Every single one of those 4 lines would absolutely obliterate the opposition in terms of possession, SCF%, HDCF%, etc..

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

That they would talk about moving Lindholm there, that Peters knows he can play the position, that it would leave a big hole on the wing that Tre would have to fill and that they’d let him know before training camp IIRC

That this was even on his mind so early in the off-season is interesting and suggest to me they have identified the performance of our centres in the playoffs as an issue.

Jankowski proved he is not an effective player at 5v5.

If we dont trade him he should be a 4th line and special teams player only.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

110% agree.

I threw mine together a little fast but that is by far the best lineup I could possibly imagine with those added players.

Let Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm focus solely on offense and give them as many Ozone starts as humanly possible

Drench Zucker-Backlund-Kapanen in defensive assignments against opposing teams' top players. That would be an absolutely incredible shut down line while also being able to provide fantastic secondary offense.

Tkachuk-Kadri-Bennett would be the most entertaining and annoying line in the NHL lmao. Provide fantastic secondary scoring while providing solid two-way play and being able to draw penalties at will.

Mangiapane-Ryan-Hathaway just keep on doing what you were doing.

Every single one of those 4 lines would absolutely obliterate the opposition in terms of possession, SCF%, HDCF%, etc..

Also gives us two lethal powerplays:

Gaudreau -Tkachuk- Lindholm
Monahan
Gio

Zucker - Bennett - Kapanen
Kadri
Anderson

Could do some legit damage. Keeps Backs and Doc fresh for penalty kill also.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Jankowski proved he is not an effective player at 5v5.

If we dont trade him he should be a 4th line and special teams player only.

Nope don’t think that’s a fair assessment at all. This was Jankowski’s first playoffs and some people don’t seem to be factoring that and his age and experience level into consideration. Jankowski has the room to get a lot better.

I think he could be used as a trade chip but I don’t think the Flames are going to be as harsh on him as they will be on their more important and more experienced players who also disappointed. Personally I was a lot more disappointed by Brodie, Gaudreau and Monahan than Jankowski. Far less was expected out of Jankowski and he had no nhl playoff experience before this year. We don’t need to be giving up on Janko or Tkachuk based on their playoffs.

Gotta take age, experience and role into consideration. Jankowski gets another chance to improve unless he’s a trade chip that another team really wants and Tre decides to use him as such.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

That they would talk about moving Lindholm there, that Peters knows he can play the position, that it would leave a big hole on the wing that Tre would have to fill and that they’d let him know before training camp IIRC

That this was even on his mind so early in the off-season is interesting and suggest to me they have identified the performance of our centres in the playoffs as an issue.

Absolutely right IMO. But I’m not sure it’s to use Lindholm as a #1 C. It’s making one of the other guys expendable potentially,but couldn’t agree more that center play was a big issue.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Nope don’t think that’s a fair assessment at all. This was Jankowski’s first playoffs and some people don’t seem to be factoring that and his age and experience level into consideration. Jankowski has the room to get a lot better.

I think he could be used as a trade chip but I don’t think the Flames are going to be as harsh on him as they will be on their more important and more experienced players who also disappointed. Personally I was a lot more disappointed by Brodie, Gaudreau and Monahan than Jankowski. Far less was expected out of Jankowski and he had no nhl playoff experience before this year. We don’t need to be giving up on Janko or Tkachuk based on their playoffs.

Gotta take age, experience and role into consideration. Jankowski gets another chance to improve unless he’s a trade chip that another team really wants and Tre decides to use him as such.

I wasnt referring to playoffs specifically.

He hasnt really shown much at 5v5 in his NHL career in general.

Dont get me wrong I like him but as a 6'4" C I barely notice him in a game except when he is on the PK.

His even strength underlying numbers are quite bad from everything I've seen posted/published and I dont think the eye test tells me any different.

There is no denying he is our weakest C and is approaching an age where he has nearly peaked in his development.

I could be wrong because bigger guys take longer to fill into their frame but he has never really been a player to use his size to his advantage, outside of his reach, much anyways.

Like I said I wouldnt mind keeping him but would rather he play on the 4th line and special teams for the most part.

Maybe this was all the Neal effect and he deserves another opportunity but with Peters commenting on perhaps playing Lindholm at center it makes one wonder because Monahan, Backlund and Ryan are not going to be moved away from the center ice position.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Frolik + 1st (going based off rumored deadline deal) + Stone (cap reasons) for Zucker

Manny won't take 2 cap dumps to move a valuable player. Frolik was being added for cap reasons.

[Spinach]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Nope don’t think that’s a fair assessment at all. This was Jankowski’s first playoffs and some people don’t seem to be factoring that and his age and experience level into consideration. Jankowski has the room to get a lot better.

I think he could be used as a trade chip but I don’t think the Flames are going to be as harsh on him as they will be on their more important and more experienced players who also disappointed. Personally I was a lot more disappointed by Brodie, Gaudreau and Monahan than Jankowski. Far less was expected out of Jankowski and he had no nhl playoff experience before this year. We don’t need to be giving up on Janko or Tkachuk based on their playoffs.

Gotta take age, experience and role into consideration. Jankowski gets another chance to improve unless he’s a trade chip that another team really wants and Tre decides to use him as such.

Experience and role are factors, sure. But Janko's 24, and will be 25 by the time next season starts. He's always been a project, though, so who knows. Maybe he'll be a late bloomer, maybe not.

It's more his passivity 5 on 5 that's a drawback. And of course he was far from the only one guilty of it or far from the biggest problem. He's actually kind of similar to Monahan, and having two centres of that mold could be part of what made the team easier to defend against after the accursed all-star break.

[Brick]

Personally, I would like to see changes to the team's core.

Otherwise, expect more of the same.

[Brick]

nm

[Moneyhands23]

The end of the season meetings should be done by now. Seems awfully quiet in Calgary.

I appreciate the way the Flames do business, but a few tidbits would be nice!

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

The end of the season meetings should be done by now. Seems awfully quiet in Calgary.

I appreciate the way the Flames do business, but a few tidbits would be nice!

Like what? What do you expect them to talk about at this stage?

[dammage79]

Flames play everything close to the chest. We wont hear squat until a week or two before the draft. If we are lucky lol.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Like what? What do you expect them to talk about at this stage?

Im not really sure. I think there is a lot of talk around other teams this offseason . Its just dead quiet around the Flames. Not a peep

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Flames play everything close to the chest. We wont hear squat until a week or two before the draft. If we are lucky lol.

Yup, then Boom!!! It'll be something crazy big out of nowhere!

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Im not really sure. I think there is a lot of talk around other teams this offseason . Its just dead quiet around the Flames. Not a peep

There is? Like who? I mean, whom other than the few teams who are undergoing front office and coaching changes?

Since the Flames won’t be making any of those sorts of changes this summer I would expect not to hear much of anything until close to the draft.


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[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Flames play everything close to the chest. We wont hear squat until a week or two before the draft. If we are lucky lol.

Yeah Hamilton left town instead of attending year end meetings last year and it was basically not reported unless you somehow read between the lines of what certain people said.

People complain that players don't want to play in Canadian markets because of the scrutiny and which certainly doesn't seem to apply to markets like Calgary. The media around the Flames is still very old school. There is no one breaking stories about much of anything behind the scenes.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yeah Hamilton left town instead of attending year end meetings last year and it was basically not reported unless you somehow read between the lines of what certain people said.

People complain that players don't want to play in Canadian markets because of the scrutiny and which certainly doesn't seem to apply to markets like Calgary. The media around the Flames is still very old school. There is no one breaking stories about much of anything behind the scenes.

Fan 960 couldn't help but talk about it all the time (in regards to dougie), I knoew Dougie was on the way out mere days after the season ended because that was literally all Loubardias could talk about or direct the conversation towards. Hell even Wills couldn't stop point the finger at Dougie.

I just remember that Lou never really throws players under the bus as he values them as humans before hockey players but he begrudingly went on about Dougie until after the trade.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Here me out:

Brodie + Jankowski + Kylington for Kadri + Kapanen

Frolik + 1st (going based off rumored deadline deal) + Stone (cap reasons) for Zucker

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Kadri-Kapanen
Bennett-Backlund-Zucker
Mangiapane-Ryan-Neal

That's 4 dominant possession lines that also bring a solid amount of snarl and grit.

We'd have the best forward group in the NHL and come Playoff time (or earlier), put Kadri with Gaudreau & Monahan with Tkachuk

Frolik was going for cap reasons, Minny ain't taking Stone as well.

Toronto isn't trading two players they want to keep for 3 players they have little interest or need for.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Flames play everything close to the chest. We wont hear squat until a week or two before the draft. If we are lucky lol.

Yep. I expect it to be quiet with things picking up in June as the draft approaches and GM's start talking and even at that it's not like we really saw the Hamilton/Ferland trade coming. I wouldn't be surprised if the Flames 1st round pick is in play if there's players available that Treliving likes.