You do realize Point was bumped up early to play with Kucherov and Stamkos right? Michael Backlund is a 90 point C between those two guys. Anybody who has a lick of hockey knowledge should be able to tell that positions aside Marner is the superior player in almost every facet.
You might be on your own with this one. The gap in playmaking skill that Marner possesses (which isn't as big as you make it out to be) doesn't make up for the Center ice position, defense and goal scoring. These guys are both franchise players but I'd take Point. He's insanely skilled in his own right. And you should go with the center every time if you want to building a winning team.
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You do realize Point was bumped up early to play with Kucherov and Stamkos right? Michael Backlund is a 90 point C between those two guys. Anybody who has a lick of hockey knowledge should be able to tell that positions aside Marner is the superior player in almost every facet.
Yeah and Marner played with John freaking Tavares. Bennett is a 90 point winger with Tavares.
I’d take Point every time, but I don’t consider that a personal knock on Marner at all. Point is just the better player.
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Marner vs Point is a very interesting comparison. Stat-wise, they are very similar. Corsi, PDO, TOI, points, etc...all very similar numbers. I think Marner is seen by some as elite over Point because of his draft position. He was 4th overall compared to Point being fairly unheralded at the time of his draft and going in the 3rd round (79th).
I also assume that Marner gets a lot more press because of the fact that he plays in Toronto. That contributes to some of the Marner bias, I'm sure. Hell, until I looked at the stats just now I assumed that Marner was going to be a clear standout in comparison to Point. Looking at the stats and the fact that Point plays C, I think I take Point.
You do realize Point was bumped up early to play with Kucherov and Stamkos right? Michael Backlund is a 90 point C between those two guys. Anybody who has a lick of hockey knowledge should be able to tell that positions aside Marner is the superior player in almost every facet.
I don’t know bud I think you are out to lunch here big time. I personally think they are very comparable players and I lean towards Point because he plays center. I think he gets bonus points being from Calgary as well but I give him the edge over Marner.
You are arguing that Marner is on a completely different tier despite playing with an elite center and in many ways being on the Leafs second line if Matthews is considered first line.
At the end of the day I don’t have a problem with someone preferring Marner to Point but the gap between the players you are describing is not something I agree with. Then to move forward insulting someone’s hockey knowledge for not agreeing puts you out on a ledge and I think you should consider taking a step back.
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I dont see a realistic way we can get Point. I think Tampa would trade pieces away rather to match rather than see him walk for picks... and that's even if he would agree to sign an offer sheet in Calgary over another contender in florida of all places- low taxes, great weather... amazing place to be a rich young athlete.
I don’t think the players are in the mix for Point or Marner either as those deals have Gaudreau’s name in the conversation and I don’t think the Flames are looking to shake things up that much.
Brodie, Jankowski, Frolik, Stone, Kylington, 26th pick those are the assets I could see in the mix for trades but not huge pieces like Gaudreau, or Monahan.
Yeah, TB I feel would rather move anyone else than Point. Point and Kuch are their guys.
If it came to it, Stammer would go before Point.
Marner may be the odd man out unless the leafs can somehow move Nylander and his 10m a season contract. Doubtful after the brutal year he has had.
If you could grab Marner somehow and have him re-unted with Chuckles, it'd be a good day.
Thats about all I got when it comes to the big game hunting being talked about here.
I dont think marner is going anywhere either. Nice to dream about though. Rantanen would also be unreal for that matter.
I'm hoping we ship out brodie, frolik, and maybe neal using some of the picks acquired in the other two deals. See if jankowski can get anything. Then take a run at duchene and lehner.
If we are to believe that the Flames are going to be a top 10 team between 2020 and 2024, or even just a playoff team, I don't think the RFA offersheet compensation is prohibitive at all.
You would be lucky to get 3 useful NHLers with those 1st rounders, and most likely you won't get a player anywhere near as good as Marner. If you are lucky, you may draft the likes or Backlund, Jankowski and Frolik. Good players, and glad we have them. But I would trade all three of them straight up for the like of Marner (or Point).
Offer sheets are pointless for teams not expected to contend, but for a team like the Flames that might be one decent piece away, it makes sense.
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You do realize Point was bumped up early to play with Kucherov and Stamkos right? Michael Backlund is a 90 point C between those two guys. Anybody who has a lick of hockey knowledge should be able to tell that positions aside Marner is the superior player in almost every facet.
Now he’s not, he’s likely a 55 point centre who turned Kutcherov and Stamkos into 65 point wingers.
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If we are to believe that the Flames are going to be a top 10 team between 2020 and 2024, or even just a playoff team, I don't think the RFA offersheet compensation is prohibitive at all.
You would be lucky to get 3 useful NHLers with those 1st rounders, and most likely you won't get a player anywhere near as good as Marner. If you are lucky, you may draft the likes or Backlund, Jankowski and Frolik. Good players, and glad we have them. But I would trade all three of them straight up for the like of Marner (or Point).
Offer sheets are pointless for teams not expected to contend, but for a team like the Flames that might be one decent piece away, it makes sense.
I agree with you, I would trade 4 1sts for marner, point, or rantanen. I just dont think the other teams will let them go for an offer sheet and will move other pieces to keep them. We might benefit from grabbing nylander or tyler Johnson perhaps
Offer sheet Point to make it hell on Tampa Bay to keep him. That way we can snag Johnson or Miller from the Lightning for a cheaper price.
The player has to sign the offer sheet for it to even go into effect, Point signing a Calgary offer sheet seems a lot more likely than other RFA's we'd go after.
Offer sheet Point to make it hell on Tampa Bay to keep him. That way we can snag Johnson or Miller from the Lightning for a cheaper price.
The player has to sign the offer sheet for it to even go into effect, Point signing a Calgary offer sheet seems a lot more likely than other RFA's we'd go after.
Doubt the Lightning will thank the Flames for signing Point to an offer sheet by turning around and offering them Johnson or Miller in trade at a cheaper price. Maybe to one of the Flames' division rivals, but not to the Flames if they screw over their salary cap structure.
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I don’t think the players are in the mix for Point or Marner either as those deals have Gaudreau’s name in the conversation and I don’t think the Flames are looking to shake things up that much.
Brodie, Jankowski, Frolik, Stone, Kylington, 26th pick those are the assets I could see in the mix for trades but not huge pieces like Gaudreau, or Monahan.
We are not getting Point for Brodie and a bunch of meh. Monahan will have to be on the table and even than theres no way Tampa trades Point.
I don’t think the players are in the mix for Point or Marner either as those deals have Gaudreau’s name in the conversation and I don’t think the Flames are looking to shake things up that much.
Brodie, Jankowski, Frolik, Stone, Kylington, 26th pick those are the assets I could see in the mix for trades but not huge pieces like Gaudreau, or Monahan.
Those pieces aren’t getting guys like Point or Marner.
Their teams would likely match any amount they can afford rather that take 4 first round picks,
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So, a trade would have that value as a starting point.
You do realize Point was bumped up early to play with Kucherov and Stamkos right? Michael Backlund is a 90 point C between those two guys. Anybody who has a lick of hockey knowledge should be able to tell that positions aside Marner is the superior player in almost every facet.
He had 66 points the year before when he did not play with either of those guys. Backlund has never come close to 66 points in a season.
The speculation on the Tampa side is that Point would land in the 8M - 8.5M range to sign on a five year deal. He may want a five year deal because that makes him a UFA at 27 years old.
The problem is that they would have to choose between a high end player like Point, or depth in Johnson and Palat. It becomes a matter of team building strategy, and no one knows how Tampa is going to behave with Yzerman gone.
An offer sheet at 8.4M costs a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
Most often, if an offer sheet is a possibility, you will see a trade of those picks plus a kicker, to save face.
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