WCSF: San Jose Sharks (P2) vs. Colorado Avalanche (WC2) — SHARKS WIN SERIES 4-3

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You can understand why the Flames took Janko - based on the tremendous physical attributes. He just doesn't have the personality to match it. Tough to project that so many years ago.
The real bad pick was how they used the extra 2nd to draft an under-sized but physical dman in Sieloff...though there's not a ton of impact in the picks that immediate follow.

Is it too early to give up on Janko? He may not be the physical player we were hoping but he has turned into a good PK'er.

[dammage79]

I don't look at it as giving up on Jankowski more so than just upgrading. Love the guy to bits but I honestly we need to look elsewhere to round out the centers. I cannot quite pinpoint it but theres just something missing. Its not heart, it's mot skills. It's skating mechanics and general IceQ I think?

Love the guy and I hate to say it but if I were Gm that's the roster spot I'm looking at on top of Frolik and Brodies to make a switch.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Nah. Vegas had three opportunities to finish off San Jose and couldn’t. And even if the major was a bad call who the hell gives up 4 goals on one penalty kill?

San Jose 100% deserves to be in the second round.

I'm oddly proud to say that even the flames haven't managed that. Maybe two, but four against is awful.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Dion

Is it too early to give up on Janko? He may not be the physical player we were hoping but he has turned into a good PK'er.

I wouldn't give up on him, in terms of just dumping him for nothing. But if another team values him as part of a package to upgrade the team - I certainly would look hard at it.
He's a good PKer but his 5 on 5 work is consistently below average. That's a problem.
I think another team could see his package of size and skill and value him more highly than the 4th line centre he's become.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I wouldn't give up on him, in terms of just dumping him for nothing. But if another team values him as part of a package to upgrade the team - I certainly would look hard at it.
He's a good PKer but his 5 on 5 work is consistently below average. That's a problem.
I think another team could see his package of size and skill and value him more highly than the 4th line centre he's become.

Can you not work with him on that side of the game? We need low salary players to fill out the roster.

If we get good value in a trade, for sure make it. I don't want to see the Flames give him away for nothing.

[landshark]

Originally Posted by zamler

Both are true Vegas failed to close the deal and epic failed on trying to kill off the major penalty. But that penalty should have never been called if it wasn't Vegas would very likely be in the 2nd round.

Bad reffing is part of the game. Why is everyone forgetting the disallowed sharks goal in game 2 that change the game from 4-3 sharks to 4-3 knights? Video CLEARLY showed that the call was wrong - the goal should have stood and there should have been no penalty. Before the bogus call, all of the momentum was on SJs side. VERY likely they would have gone on to win GM2 and a GM7 probably would have never happened.

I'm with Joe - no, that shouldn't have been called a major penalty, but I'm glad they it was :-)

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You can understand why the Flames took Janko - based on the tremendous physical attributes. He just doesn't have the personality to match it. Tough to project that so many years ago.
The real bad pick was how they used the extra 2nd to draft an under-sized but physical dman in Sieloff...though there's not a ton of impact in the picks that immediate follow.

Nah, jiri, the whole was a wrong headed cluster #### from the beginning.

They had no 2nd because they sent it to buffalo to get out of regehrs contract to offer Brad Richards a deal the flames would still be paying out this season.

The Feaster era was by far the lowest point in the history of the organization.

For anyone questioning why the flame aren't winning the last couple of years you can point you that era as the reason why.

I expect in 5 years we'll be discussing the same thing and looking at tre's trade history the last two years and pointing to the same thing. Tre's tenure is much better than Feasters, night and day even, yet he's still kneecapped by the same thing Feaster was and to me that points to an organizational imperative and not necessarily a personal fault.

It's the lack of internal assets that makes the flames unable to get over the hump, what prevents them from competing for talent at the deadline and what makes them desperate for ufa signings in the silly season.

It's always the same problem.

Rarely do you get it rubbed in your face so profoundly and starkly as the jankowski example but remember that that Cascade of failures started with moving out a 2nd round pick in a non playoff year for an asset that wasn't with the team 18 months later.

History will repeat itself again and again until the flames do something that addresses that continual failure.

[Flash Walken]

that post from strange brew, that calgary has basically moved out an entire draft's worth of picks in the last couple of years with basically zilch to show for it in either post season success or even players on the roster is going to/has killed this group's and potentially the next group's chances of being top tier contenders.

It's really great that Andersson and Kylington and Valimaki all appear to look like they will be NHL defenders. In light of that, it's exceptionally discouraging that there doesn't appear to be any forward help coming up through the ranks to help them while assets have been spent on lazar, elliott, smith, fantenberg and stone.

All for a single playoff game win in three years.

I think whether you can accept that reality is what separates fans from homers on this board.

[hwy19man]

Pregame links for game five and the game is at 2000h/8:00 pm
http://sportsstats.cbc.ca/hockey/nhl...summary_3.html
http://sportsstats.cbc.ca/hockey/nhl...preview_3.html
https://scores.nbcsports.com/nhl/pre...home=17&vis=18


The game is on Sportsnet/CBC with John Shorthouse, Louie DeBrusk, and Scott Oake.

The game is on NBCSN with Chris Cuthbert, Joe Micheletti, and Pierre McGuire.

[hwy19man]

Good news for most of you, John Shorthouse is calling this game. It was a late switch by Sportsnet.

[hwy19man]

The Sportsnet radio network is airing this game using the Sharks feed.

[GirlySports]

Hey look more first period penalties!

[dammage79]

Go Avs? Strictly from a hockey pool perspective.

[GioforPM]

Mackinnon has found a new gear.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by hwy19man

Good news for most of you, John Shorthouse is calling this game. It was a late switch by Sportsnet.

Randorf's father fell seriously ill over the weekend...which is why the change.

[AC]

Scott Oake providing the sad update that Darian Hunt lost his battle to leukemia.

He was featured last game as well.

Scott Oake kept calling him "Darren" though...

[Magnum PEI]

Pretty weak effort by Karlsson on that goal. Just let Jost go to the net.

[Sainters7]

First game this series where Colorado is looking like the clear better team, they desperate. And MacKinnon is unreal

[transplant99]

So Cale Makar isnt the second coming of Bobby Orr?

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So Cale Makar isnt the second coming of Bobby Orr?

I thought he was fine on the play, Landeskog and MacKinnon were a little lackadaisical on the backcheck.

/Also, if that is Sam Bennett driving to the net hard on that play, the goal is wiped out for goalie interference.