2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Buff

So is Monahan the reason we lost? He's been picked out by a very small select few, even when things were sailing, and then the entire team went into cruise mode and the Monahan naysayers multiplied.



He needs to step up, I'm not denying that. So did Giordano who went from beast mode to adequate mode. Where are his detractors? Be patient they're coming.



I get it. Lack of playoff success sucks. It hurts. Badly. I'm not sure I want to be a fan of any team anymore because I'm tired of the dejection. I love hockey so much and the Flames are my team but another part of the dejection is seeing fans dismantle players, sometimes a little too needlessly because they're mad and they want instant change. Too many people have no patience and expect instant gratification. Monahan will forever be tainted now. I'm going to grow sick of it. Well I already have because it's going to be a long haul until next year's playoffs are over or until he is traded.

Monahan is not the reason this team lost, but he also didn’t help the team much for 3 months from February onwards. His struggles in the playoffs pretty much mirrored the terrible stretch he had after the all star break.

This is also Monahan’s 6th season in the NHL, the patience thing is more of an excuse to me at this point. The organization needs to be intellectually honest with itself if it wants to stop being mired in mediocrity and that means asking the important questions like:

What is Sean Monahan? What is Mikael Backlund? What did Sean Monahan disappear for the final 3 months of the season? What is Sean Monahan without Johnny Gaudreau? Is Mikael Backlund better off as a #3 center? Why did our 2 top centers look so overwhelmed and outmatched by Nathan Mackinnon? Can these 2 centers currently slotted where they are bring you to the promise land?



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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Buff

I still think they would have been criticized. Lemieux wad big but he didn't crysh players and people would be complaining that we could be so much better if he did so.

Orr was injured too much.

Gretzky was small and shifty but he needs to be bigger so he can take a check.

Etc. Etc. I feel that we find reasons to harp on players and some people stick to it a little too much.

Lemieux, Orr and Gretzky produced when it mattered the most.

No one complains if players produce.

[Psytic]

He has good foot speed and he is 6'3. He can certainly drive possession with his frame. No hes not Mack but we need to get bigger and faster on more lines than 1. It allows us to upgrade the wing at a low cost so we can use our picks + Brodie, etc. to get a 1C. we need to improve in both areas. He's just entering his prime its a good opportunity to buy low and improve the roster.

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

It’s not Connolly’s age that’s in question to me, it’s his ability. I’m not one to think that both Neal and Brouwer fell off a cliff coincidentally the day they arrived in Calgary. I more so believe that those 2 players thrived in their previous teams because of the favorable situation they were in and the linemates they played with.

Also, when I watch Connolly skate, the first thing that comes to mind is not fast. He’s a good player, more of a support guy. But after the Neal and Brouwer and Raymond signings, the organization needs to stay away from risky UFAs. To me, if we’re going to look at more UFAs, then the organization has to look at guys who can drive lines because they can’t afford anymore mistakes.


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[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Psytic

He has good foot speed and he is 6'3. He can certainly drive possession with his frame. No hes not Mack but we need to get bigger and faster on more lines than 1. It allows us to upgrade the wing at a low cost so we can use our picks + Brodie, etc. to get a 1C. we need to improve in both areas. He's just entering his prime its a good opportunity to buy low and improve the roster.

I’m all for improving the team in areas of need with out giving up assets, but you’ve got to think that Brad and his brain trust would be a little gun shy about adding yet another comparable UFA winger. Heck, Brouwer and Neal are 6’3” and 6’2” respectively and they weren’t any help. Although to be fair, he looks to be a way better player.

I also like his production for the minutes he played, very efficient. But after all the previous mistakes, no way I see the Flames adding Connolly. They’ll be extremely careful about who they decide to add this time around with the limited cap space.


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[Royle9]

No more UFA's over the age of 30 at anything over a 2-3 year contract.
No more UFA reclamation projects.
No more UFA "depth/grinders" at inflated UFA prices.

If we want to improve our team we should be looking at solid hockey deals/trades that make sense for both teams. I hope they explore all options to make us better long term.

We need to get faster/bigger without getting older.
I wish we could trade Neal but I don't see it happening, were likely saddled with this contract unless we find a partner with a similar graveyard contract.

With that said, I think we should explore the idea of flipping Monahan+ for a legit #1 C.

[Saqe]

Yeah paying UFAs has been backfiring hard. Unless it's a guy like Duchene or some other top notch free agent, stay away.

[Monahammer]

I think Connolly is a worthwhile target, for the right price. Duchene is someone we should be pursuing hard but I think we're lower back on his list of preferred destination s.

[Samonadreau]

Ryan was a pretty good signing but I think he's the anomaly where like Gio he seems to be getting better with age.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Ryan was a pretty good signing but I think he's the anomaly where like Gio he seems to be getting better with age.

Ryan was also a relatively small signing. Reasonable term, lower dollar figures. Even if it had gone wrong, it wouldn't have blown up. And it's gone beautifully.

It's giving the enormous contracts to guys over 30 that becomes a problem. Wayne Simmonds would probably be a fine signing for whichever team gets him if he agrees to 3 years and $3.15 million per, but he'll probably get much more than that -- closer to Neal's terms.

The Flames need to start being more aggressive on guys in their mid-20s. They need to sign more guys like Frolik.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Ryan was also a relatively small signing. Reasonable term, lower dollar figures. Even if it had gone wrong, it wouldn't have blown up. And it's gone beautifully.

It's giving the enormous contracts to guys over 30 that becomes a problem. Wayne Simmonds would probably be a fine signing for whichever team gets him if he agrees to 3 years and $3.15 million per, but he'll probably get much more than that -- closer to Neal's terms.

The Flames need to start being more aggressive on guys in their mid-20s. They need to sign more guys like Frolik.

This is why I think Connolly is a good complementary add. He could be the next Frolik/ Value signing only hes bigger. Hes younger than Zucker . One year older than Johnny and costs nothing so we can go big game hunting for a C If we can move some salary out for picks. He might even compliment the first line with his size thats not out of the question either. I have a feeling the ask would be in the 4.0- 4.5 mill range so if Frolik wants out, you could let him go and save cap technically and re-coup a pick or you keep both and Frolik can form the best 3rd line in the league with Backlund after we aquire a 2c or 1c with our first + Brodie, and prospect, etc.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Royle9

If we want to improve our team we should be looking at solid hockey deals/trades that make sense for both teams.

C.

You won’t get many trades proposals around here if we need to consider the needs of the other team.

The next thing you know, you’ll expect decent value on both sides.

Younger, better and cheaper is the way to go.


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[transplant99]

So with some real juice behind the idea that Evgeny Malkin might become available this summer and assuming he would waive to come to Calgary.....who/what would you be willing to give up as Flames GM?

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So with some real juice behind the idea that Evgeny Malkin might become available this summer and assuming he would waive to come to Calgary.....who/what would you be willing to give up as Flames GM?

Monahan + Neal seems reasonable.

[Johnhitbox]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So with some real juice behind the idea that Evgeny Malkin might become available this summer and assuming he would waive to come to Calgary.....who/what would you be willing to give up as Flames GM?

As much as I would love his skill, strength and playoff experience.. I don’t know if a 30+ is what the flames need to add. I think they need to take what they have and add younger pieces.


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[transplant99]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Monahan + Neal seems reasonable.

I doubt Rutherford would be willing to absorb Neals deal.

No doubt it would start with Monahan though...maybe Brodie as well?

[GreenLantern]

How much do we think Kevin Hayes gets on the open market?

Imagine if we had Neal's salary to use for a useful player..

[Toonage]

If (big if) Treliving were to get the green light to buy out Neal, I can't see it being so he can go out and sign another big money UFA.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I doubt Rutherford would be willing to absorb Neals deal.

No doubt it would start with Monahan though...maybe Brodie as well?

However, given Monahan's age and contract vs Malkin's age and contract, I think he might have to. Malkin is 34.

[GioforPM]

Malkin is fantastic and just what the Flames need right now. BUT he's almost always missing 10-20 games per year for injuries and I don't see that improving with age.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Malkin is fantastic and just what the Flames need right now. BUT he's almost always missing 10-20 games per year for injuries and I don't see that improving with age.

That too, though to be fair, Monahan does not seem much sturdier.