2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Bonded]

Johansen and Ellis for Monahan Neal and Brodie.


From a preds fan on HF. I would probably pull the trigger.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Johansen and Ellis for Monahan Neal and Brodie.


From a preds fan on HF. I would probably pull the trigger.

Should probably do the math on that deal before pulling the trigger. And as much as I like Ellis, hes not gonna be worth the 6 million he has coming. And we have some really good and cheap options on the back end. No reason to go and mess that up.

Johansen is just as much a "ghost" in the playoffs than Monahan. You're swapping handedness of your center essentially.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Should probably do the math on that deal before pulling the trigger. And as much as I like Ellis, hes not gonna be worth the 6 million he has coming. And we have some really good and cheap options on the back end. No reason to go and mess that up.

Johansen is just as much a "ghost" in the playoffs than Monahan. You're swapping handedness of your center essentially.

He seems to produce in the playoffs.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Should probably do the math on that deal before pulling the trigger. And as much as I like Ellis, hes not gonna be worth the 6 million he has coming. And we have some really good and cheap options on the back end. No reason to go and mess that up.

Johansen is just as much a "ghost" in the playoffs than Monahan. You're swapping handedness of your center essentially.

Johansen has 43pts in 53 playoff games-he produces. If that deal came up, Tre would JUMP on it.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Should probably do the math on that deal before pulling the trigger. And as much as I like Ellis, hes not gonna be worth the 6 million he has coming. And we have some really good and cheap options on the back end. No reason to go and mess that up.



Johansen is just as much a "ghost" in the playoffs than Monahan. You're swapping handedness of your center essentially.

Did you not notice the Neal part of the trade?

You are getting a viable d-man in Ellis instead of dead weight.

This would be a great deal.


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[Monahammer]

I would rather offer sheet someone like point or laine and lose 4 1sts (likely in the 20+ range) than trade Monahan and hanifin in a package. We are a young enough team that we can handle it.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I would rather offer sheet someone like point or laine and lose 4 1sts (likely in the 20+ range) than trade Monahan and hanifin in a package. We are a young enough team that we can handle it.

I honestly don’t see this scenario happening ever, for any team.

4 first round picks is an offer that would likely exceed the trade value for one of these players signed. If a player is going to sign for a value that would net them 4 1st rounders in an offer sheet, you will see that player sign and then get dealt.

It’s an insane offer, I can’t see any team signing off on a deal that gives away unknown assets that far into the future. Too risky.

[Heavy Jack]

People wanting to trade any of our young talented core are crazy to do so IMO, Johansen is 8 games from 600 and at 130 career goals... Monahan is 28 games from 500 and at 172 career goals; that’s 42 more goals in 120 less games played... madness! Our top line doesn’t need more passing if anything it needs a bit more grit and with Johansen averaging about 100 hits a year that isn’t enough of an increase in that area to offset the loss of 20 goals in Monahan.

We need to tinker with this lineup, upgrade certain positions like 2nd line RW, not trade cornerstone pieces based on emotions reacting from a bad playoff performance where we had a lot of first and second timers playing.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I honestly don’t see this scenario happening ever, for any team.

4 first round picks is an offer that would likely exceed the trade value for one of these players signed. If a player is going to sign for a value that would net them 4 1st rounders in an offer sheet, you will see that player sign and then get dealt.

It’s an insane offer, I can’t see any team signing off on a deal that gives away unknown assets that far into the future. Too risky.

Is it though? I would not trade Monahan for three ~20th overall picks, not only from a sheer talent perspective, but from a time until relevant to this team perspective. Hanifin for 1 20th overall pick would be a total waste. Monahan+hanifin >4 1sts. Yet people are throwing their names around. I think we assign too much value to the future picks.

Ergo I would rather trade 4 1sts then combine existing players to acquire a difference maker

Order of operations:
1. Sign tkachuk. I think its something like 7x5.
2. Sign Rittich. 3 x 2.5 maybe?
2. Trade brodie and frolik for picks
3. See if theres a trade that makes sense for Neal
4. Offer sheet: 1 of marner, point, or laine. Marner is the least realistic imo.
5. If 4 unsuccessful, go hard after duchene
6. Ferland signing in offseason maybe? Or other muscle and toughness.
7. Get cheaper 25-30 game backup

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I would rather offer sheet someone like point or laine and lose 4 1sts (likely in the 20+ range) than trade Monahan and hanifin in a package. We are a young enough team that we can handle it.

Highly doubtful anyone is going to offer sheet Laine. He's without a doubt the most one-dimensional forward in the game and Flames fans would be pulling their hair out watching him as a Flame. The guy is either scoring or is a black hole. There's no in between.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Is it though? I would not trade Monahan for three ~20th overall picks, not only from a sheer talent perspective, but from a time until relevant to this team perspective. Hanifin for 1 20th overall pick would be a total waste. Monahan+hanifin >4 1sts. Yet people are throwing their names around. I think we assign too much value to the future picks.

Ergo I would rather trade 4 1sts then combine existing players to acquire a difference maker

Order of operations:
1. Sign tkachuk. I think its something like 7x5.
2. Sign Rittich. 3 x 2.5 maybe?
2. Trade brodie and frolik for picks
3. See if theres a trade that makes sense for Neal
4. Offer sheet: 1 of marner, point, or laine. Marner is the least realistic imo.
5. If 4 unsuccessful, go hard after duchene
6. Ferland signing in offseason maybe? Or other muscle and toughness.
7. Get cheaper 25-30 game backup

The value is in the unknown and the lottery.

Did you think Colorado wasn’t on pace to draft Makar at 4 after drafting MacKinnon?
NJ and Hughes after getting Hall and Hischier?
How about Edmonton? Feeling pretty good about all those 1 overalls, signs a $9mil offer sheet, seeya McDavid.

I could really dive into it deeper and come up with countless examples I’m sure. You can’t predict what’s going to happen to your team in 3-4 years. You just can’t. It’s so risky.

1st rounder 4 years from now is arguably worth more than 2 firsts from a good team today... it isn’t worth the risk when you can move prospects/current rosterplayers/current picks.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

4. Offer sheet: 1 of marner, point, or laine. Marner is the least realistic imo.
5. If 4 unsuccessful, go hard after duchene

This doesn’t make sense to me either.

Give up 4 x 1st rounders to get Point.
Or nothing to get Duchene. Probably similar cap hits.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

The value is in the unknown and the lottery.

Did you think Colorado wasn’t on pace to draft Makar at 4 after drafting MacKinnon?
NJ and Hughes after getting Hall and Hischier?
How about Edmonton? Feeling pretty good about all those 1 overalls, signs a $9mil offer sheet, seeya McDavid.

I could really dive into it deeper and come up with countless examples I’m sure. You can’t predict what’s going to happen to your team in 3-4 years. You just can’t. It’s so risky.

1st rounder 4 years from now is arguably worth more than 2 firsts from a good team today... it isn’t worth the risk when you can move prospects/current rosterplayers/current picks.

I can also dive into some top 10 pick failures over the last 5 years. Would you trade Monahan for pulju, bennett, barrett Hayton, and lias andersson? Because I would not.
It's all a crap shoot, but I would rather take a known commodity than 4 chances at one.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I can also dive into some top 10 pick failures over the last 5 years. Would you trade Monahan for pulju, bennett, barrett Hayton, and lias andersson? Because I would not.
It's all a crap shoot, but I would rather take a known commodity than 4 chances at one.

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If you look at my first post I’m saying that I don’t see how the ownership of a team would allow this.

You’re essentially allowing a GM, who in all likelihood wouldn’t last longer than 4 years, to trade away future picks. I don’t believe a team would sign off on this in today’s structure.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

This doesn’t make sense to me either.

Give up 4 x 1st rounders to get Point.
Or nothing to get Duchene. Probably similar cap hits.

I am down with duchene but point has more room to grow

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

.......

If you look at my first post I’m saying that I don’t see how the ownership of a team would allow this.

You’re essentially allowing a GM, who in all likelihood wouldn’t last longer than 4 years, to trade away future picks. I don’t believe a team would sign off on this in today’s structure.

Your post was in reply to mine, where I argued that trading Monahan away for a good player made less sense than just offersheeting if we were hell bent on acquiring one of those game breakers. That strategy doesnt make sense, independent of owner ships opinion on giving up future picks (which I also argued are assigned far too much value by us fans)

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If I am Treliving I instantly hang up if they are offering Kadri for Hanifin. He might laugh at Dubas first before he does that. How about Nylander for Hamonic?

I like Hamonic. He brings an element to our blue line that would immediately bs missed. Part of the Flames issue from a roster composition stand point, in my view, is a lack of toughness or push back. They need more of it, not less.

I also think the Flames are faced with moving either Hamonic or Brodie this offseason to open up a full time spot for some of the young guys. I'll be surprised if it's not Brodie who is moved.

[Benched]

Marner or Point for 4 1sts? I'd do it

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Benched

Marner or Point for 4 1sts? I'd do it

4 firsts and a crazy high cap hit.


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[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Kessel was rumoured to have interest in the Coyotes because of his strong relationship with former Penguins assistant Rick Tocchet. I think Kessel would do wonders in adding credibility to that team.

More likely his entitled, me-first attitude will spoil the culture of accountability and teamwork that the Coyotes bought into this season. Kessel is one of those players who works best on a team that already has a strong, star-led leadership core, like the Penguins.