2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[oldschoolcalgary]

While i like Kadri's compete level, this is the second time he's hurt his team in the playoffs with a boneheaded and selfish play...

everything is about cost of acquisition, so never say never, but i would be worried about bringing him here because he has a history of this

[DallasFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Leafs add.... definitely

The basis of a Brodie - Kadri swap is intriguing, but as others have noted not straight up.

Maybe something like:
Brodie (Some salary retained - $1MM at most)
Czarnik
Prospect (Foo)

For
Kadri
Conor Brown

Leafs would save some cap on this and the flames would get some value for Czarnik who sat a lot of games. Brown is a player that brings some of what Calgary was missing in the playoffs.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by DallasFlamesFan

The basis of a Brodie - Kadri swap is intriguing, but as others have noted not straight up.

Maybe something like:
Brodie (Some salary retained - $1MM at most)
Czarnik
Prospect (Foo)

For
Kadri
Conor Brown

Leafs would save some cap on this and the flames would get some value for Czarnik who sat a lot of games. Brown is a player that brings some of what Calgary was missing in the playoffs.

I think you’d have to bump that prospect up, or include someone like Jankowski. I don’t see Czarnik and Foo having value comparable quite close enough to Brown, and Brodie at $1M retained is still less valuable than Kadri.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Leafs add.... definitely

No, I don't think so.

Two time 30 goal C making $4.5 for three more seasons? Janko's a ways away from that. To put that in perspective, he's a more physical, higher offensive contributor, younger cheaper player than Backlund.

Further, Brodie's likely looking to make 5-6 on his new deal. If the Leafs are about to let Gardner walk, how does Brodie fit into their cap in a year from now? As far as cap projections go, this is not helpful to the Leafs situation. Effectively the deal is one year of Brodie and Jankowski for your 3rd line C, who is a 2 on most teams in the league.

[Fan in Exile]

I'm amazed at all the trade proposals that include Foo. What makes anyone believe he has any value? We traded Kulak for a sixth rounder last offseason and he had played pretty much a full season and showed he was a regular NHLer. Foo probably won't even get a qualifying offer.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by TOfan

No it doesn't. Makes no sense from a Leafs perspective.

Kadri is on a very team friendly deal with term. For a team that's about to have three players with contracts over $10 million, his contract is extremely valuable. No chance they give that up for one year of TJ Brodie.

The Leafs may be pissed at Kadri right now, but they're not stupid.

Up front though.

They are way to forward heavy and are about to get thinner on defense than they were.

I agree a straight 1 for 1 isnt happening.

I can see a Brodie/Kylington or Hanifin for Kadri/Kapanen type deal though.

Leafs are so badly under a cap crunch, they will lose value in almost any deal IMO.

[Caboose]

Here's my much less drastic proposal to the Gaudreau-Monahan disappearing act: split them up and move Monahan to the wing.

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk

Monahan-Backlund-Bennett

Mangiapane-Ryan-Neal

Hathaway-Jankowski-Dube

Mangiapane and Ryan work well together, as do Hathaway and Jankowski. Backlund and Bennett have played together and Bennett can be the spark plug for that line. Tkachuk and Lindholm can make room for Johnny and are both capable finishers.

If no moves are made, I'd be quite comfortable with seeing if something like this could gel.

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[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Up front though.

They are way to forward heavy and are about to get thinner on defense than they were.

I agree a straight 1 for 1 isnt happening.

I can see a Brodie/Kylington or Hanifin for Kadri/Kapanen type deal though.

Leafs are so badly under a cap crunch, they will lose value in almost any deal IMO.

Are you saying we would trade Brodie AND Hanifin for Kadri and Kapanen?

Why would the Flames do that to their defense? Trading Hanifin is a big mistake that I don’t think the Flames would make for a near 30 year old and RFA winger that probably wants the $5M per Hanifin makes.

[DallasFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think you’d have to bump that prospect up, or include someone like Jankowski. I don’t see Czarnik and Foo having value comparable quite close enough to Brown, and Brodie at $1M retained is still less valuable than Kadri.

Fair enough. I seem to remember the Leafs being in on Czarnik last year, which is why I included him. I would include Janko in the trade instead as having Kadri would make Janko redundant anyway. The prospect could be anyone of the b-c level prospects (No dube, Valmaki, Parsons, etc.). Or i'd even do Czarnik and Janko.

I think Brown and Kadri would add a lot to this team (assuming Kadri learns he can't contibute from the press-box). Tkachuck - Kadri - Bennett would be a tough line to play against that could also score.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Up front though.

They are way to forward heavy and are about to get thinner on defense than they were.

I agree a straight 1 for 1 isnt happening.

I can see a Brodie/Kylington or Hanifin for Kadri/Kapanen type deal though.

Leafs are so badly under a cap crunch, they will lose value in almost any deal IMO.

I'm not saying it's remotely likely, and I'm not saying I would be interested in doing it necessarily, and I'm not saying it because I dislike the player

But.

Giordano cures everything that ails that team. Everything.

[TOfan]

It's a good point being raised.

If I'm Dubas and the Flames are asking about Kadri, I'm not targeting Brodie. Im targeting Hanafin.

Price goes up for the Flames though, you would on turn ask for more than Kadri alone from the Leafs.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I'm not saying it's remotely likely, and I'm not saying I would be interested in doing it necessarily, and I'm not saying it because I dislike the player
But.
Giordano cures everything that ails that team. Everything.

Gross...

You are right but if we trade Gio send him to Florida or something.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Gross...

You are right but if we trade Gio send him to Florida or something.

I love Gio (check the name). But I suppose at some point he can be traded - I mean, he has to slide in performance at some point, right?. In 20-21 his NTC clause kicks in but it's kind of mild - he lists 19 teams he would accept. I'm 100% certain Toronto would be one - he's from there, and he loves playing in that rink.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by TOfan

It's a good point being raised.

If I'm Dubas and the Flames are asking about Kadri, I'm not targeting Brodie. Im targeting Hanafin.

Price goes up for the Flames though, you would on turn ask for more than Kadri alone from the Leafs.

With Marner and Kapanen needing significant increases it appears as if Kadri is the odd man out either way. Unless they want to lose 2 of: Brown, Kapanen, Hymen, Johnsson.
I suppose they could also buyout the final year of Marleau's contract and be okay too, so long as they don't plan on upgrading their D.

They could target Hanafin but I cant imagine Brad would do it.
Brodie is the only trade that makes sense here, and I still think Toronto bites.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I love Gio (check the name). But I suppose at some point he can be traded - I mean, he has to slide in performance at some point, right?. In 20-21 his NTC clause kicks in but it's kind of mild - he lists 19 teams he would accept. I'm 100% certain Toronto would be one - he's from there, and he loves playing in that rink.

I dont want to trade him either, but honestly doing it this year will net the biggest return we'll ever see. With that being said if there's an offer that jumps out at you I think you have to seriously consider it. If its Toronto, we're asking for Nylander to start IMO. Cant imagine a scenario where its even remotely possible, but much like the Iginla saga, if we hold on too long the value is just going to decrease until he's worth pennies on the dollar so you have to be okay with that.

[Saqe]

This defense will plummet if they trade Gio. No thanks.

[GioforPM]

I just can't see trading Gio off of a Norris year, and after the Flames have finished first in the west. It screws up the entire D.

Maybe a year out. Or, if God forbid the Flames crap the bed next year and need a real overhaul, at the trade deadline for a gigantic return.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Saqe

This defense will plummet if they trade Gio. No thanks.

Yes, maybe, but you also have to look at the trajectory - Giordano can only go down from here, and, given age, will become worse for sure. The question is whether it will happen quickly (a la Neal) or very slowly (Lidstrom) or fairly slowly (Chara). On the other hand, we have 4 defensemen who should all be better going forward. Again, we don't know if they will get a lot better, a little bit better, slowly or quickly.
We do know that Giordano is probably at peak value. So, as the GM you have to weigh all of that and decide if value trumps performance, etc. The other thing you have to weigh I think (and I honestly don't know how much, as this is uninformed speculation) is that Giordano is at the head of the leadership group that keeps flopping on their collective faces under pressure...

[Winsor_Pilates]

No way I trade Hanafin for Kadri.
I think people overeating Kadri's trade value. With his last 2 playoff suspensions and the Leafs in cap trouble, they probably want to move him and teams won't be offering a lot.

Brodie straight or + Jankowski is probably right.
But still not sure I'd want him on the team.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Bonded

My stupid trade proposal is Hanifin for Kadri + Kapanen

Well, you said it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Yes, maybe, but you also have to look at the trajectory - Giordano can only go down from here, and, given age, will become worse for sure. The question is whether it will happen quickly (a la Neal) or very slowly (Lidstrom) or fairly slowly (Chara). On the other hand, we have 4 defensemen who should all be better going forward. Again, we don't know if they will get a lot better, a little bit better, slowly or quickly.
We do know that Giordano is probably at peak value. So, as the GM you have to weigh all of that and decide if value trumps performance, etc. The other thing you have to weigh I think (and I honestly don't know how much, as this is uninformed speculation) is that Giordano is at the head of the leadership group that keeps flopping on their collective faces under pressure...

I just don't think you move Gio this year. But aside from him, I'm not sure who the leadership group is. I know who it should be based on the role on the team, but I'm sure not convinced that's how those players are acting in the room or on the ice.