[OOT] April 23 with two game 7s!

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

you realize there is more than one ref right? There are four guys on the ice able to make that call

Yes, and after conversing they all got it wrong.

Which makes it even worse.

When the explanation to the coach was that he was cross checked in the face, which is clearly incorrect, the entire group got it wrong. The ref watching the play did not raise his hand. He was the one that got it right.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by blender

Not sure there was anything worth remembering from the Flames

I was impliying everybody else choked so it makes our choke easier to handle...

[3rd liner]

Mixed feelings after this. Unreal, entertaining game from somebody who dislikes both teams as a Flames fan. I hate the sharks, but I REALLY hate the Knights, in my top 5 most hated behind the Oil, the Ducks, to name a few. But the knights were absolutely screwed on the Eakin call, which completely changed the game. 2 min call at most. Feel bad for Pavelski, really awkward series of events that led to his injury but not a 5 minute major. VGK had that game, it was over. That injury was the rallying point. Refs have a lot of answering to do. I do enjoy seeing McNabb on for most of the goals- dirty player. Some kind of karma there. I hate to say it after the flames series, but I have no problem hoping the Avs take out the Sharks. I dislike the sharks too much (except Burns).

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

I agree with this. A good case can be made that the call is by the book, which is exactly how they explain it.

My initial reaction to seeing the cross check was that it looked pretty bad, and looking at it now I still think it does. I would therefore argue that Cody Eakin carries a lot of blame for pulling such a stupid move, because no matter how you look at it, the situation warrants at least a minor penalty in a situation where it is completely unneccesary. Even with a minor the Sharks would have been invited back into the game.

If that call is made every time nobody would be left on the bench. It was a push more than a cross check. Pavelski was off balance, was pushed by Stastny, and hit the ice without being able to protect himself.

It's okay to say it was just a sequence of bad luck. If Eakin's play is a penalty the NHL would never have 5-on-5 hockey ever again.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Yes, and after conversing they all got it wrong.

Which makes it even worse.

When the explanation to the coach was that he was cross checked in the face, which is clearly incorrect, the entire group got it wrong. The ref watching the play did not raise his hand. He was the one that got it right.

They got it wrong...live it looked like a 5 min major, to me anyway. Its a high cross check and the guy is bleeding all over the ice. Its not like they just pulled something out of thin air.

Its certainly a bad break for Vegas but still a historically bad PP contributed big time.

Anyway, what a crazy night...1am WTF

nite all

[Itse]

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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

If that call is made every time nobody would be left on the bench. It was a push more than a cross check. Pavelski was off balance, was pushed by Stastny, and hit the ice without being able to protect himself.

It's okay to say it was just a sequence of bad luck. If Eakin's play is a penalty the NHL would never have 5-on-5 hockey ever again.

If that call is made with any regularity, you wouldn't have guys obviously crosschecking others right in front of the ref.

I get some people would argue the rule is stupid, but the call was exactly according to the rules. Obvious crosscheck, obvious injury, clear cut five minute penalty. It's why Vegas wasn't protesting harder.

The reason they have that rule is because you can really easily injure someone with a well placed hard crosscheck.

I'm not a huge fan or NHL reffing, but that was the right call.

It's unfortunate for Vegas, but there was a crosscheck and you could easily argue Stastny deliberately checked Pavelski in a vulnerable position. It's not like they couldn't have avoided that penalty.

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

If that call is made every time nobody would be left on the bench. It was a push more than a cross check. Pavelski was off balance, was pushed by Stastny, and hit the ice without being able to protect himself.

It's okay to say it was just a sequence of bad luck. If Eakin's play is a penalty the NHL would never have 5-on-5 hockey ever again.

I don't know if we're even watching the same play, but that is not a dime-a-dozen push. I'm seeing a pretty bad cross check that warrants a penalty. You could argue handing out the major, sure, but it's not an innocent play.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

I don't know if we're even watching the same play, but that is not a dime-a-dozen push. I'm seeing a pretty bad cross check that warrants a penalty. You could argue handing out the major, sure, but it's not an innocent play.

..... he pushes him in the chest and he falls over.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Just comes back to refs controlling games again.

If that’s a 0-0 game, there is no call. Or maaaayyybbbee a 2 min minor.

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

..... he pushes him in the chest and he falls over.

Yes, with his stick in a two hand grip, and his hands about 50 cm apart, and the stick hitting Pavelski with pretty good force in the upper part of his chest, which constitutes what is known as a cross check.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

Yes, with his stick in a two hand grip, and his hands about 50 cm apart, and the stick hitting Pavelski with pretty good force in the upper part of his chest, which constitutes what is known as a cross check.

Yup. Which is 2 mins. And a soft 2 mins based on what we’ve seen these playoffs.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Yup. Which is 2 mins. And a soft 2 mins based on what we’ve seen these playoffs.

But doesn’t a 2 minute cross check + injury turn it into a major?


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[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

But doesn’t a 2 minute cross check + injury turn it into a major?


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No, but it can be deemed a major based on the severity of the contact. (Rule 59.3).

But the stick didn’t cause the injury. The unfortunate off balance fall to the ice after being crosschecked backwards and having Statsny push him over causes the injury.

[FireGilbert]

I once hated Knights fans. They got to experience success too soon. Now I don’t hate them so much.

In this series Knights fans got to experience losing a game 7 OT, losing a game 6 OT at home with a chance to clinch, losing a series after being up 3-1, and being monumentally screwed over by the refs. They basically got to experience the past 30 seasons of being a Flames fan in one seven game series.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Curious... if SJ loses the game 3-2, are people screaming about SJ getting jobbed by the NHL/refs on the high stick goal that was allowed?

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

No, but it can be deemed a major based on the severity of the contact. (Rule 59.3).

But the stick didn’t cause the injury. The unfortunate off balance fall to the ice after being crosschecked backwards and having Statsny push him over causes the injury.

The force of the stick causes the fall which causes the injury. It's semantics, and there is no consensus that it was the right or wrong call. You can keep stating that it is nothing but a tiny little push, but obviously not everyone agrees with that, and I see it as a really bad decision by Eakin, and a really bad result for Pavelski. The cross check is not within the rules of the game, and if this major penalty was called during the regular season there would have been virtually no talk about it. The talk is due to Vegas using this extended PK to royally crap the bed in such a tremendous way that no one has ever even seen before.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

The force of the stick causes the fall which causes the injury. It's semantics, and there is no consensus that it was the right or wrong call. You can keep stating that it is nothing but a tiny little push, but obviously not everyone agrees with that, and I see it as a really bad decision by Eakin, and a really bad result for Pavelski. The cross check is not within the rules of the game, and if this major penalty was called during the regular season there would have been virtually no talk about it. The talk is due to Vegas using this extended PK to royally crap the bed in such a tremendous way that no one has ever even seen before.

Refs told Gallant on the ice the call was a crosscheck to the face.

They called a crosscheck to the face.

They botched the call. End of story.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

No, but it can be deemed a major based on the severity of the contact. (Rule 59.3).

But the stick didn’t cause the injury. The unfortunate off balance fall to the ice after being crosschecked backwards and having Statsny push him over causes the injury.

The cross check caused the injury, in that the cross check resulted in him falling to the ice, and the injury resulted.

Funny thing about being cross checked backwards; it’s not unusual for the player cross checked to fall backwards. I don’t think the cross checker can complain about the likelihood of an injury occurring from such a play. All that is required in the rules is an injury resulting from such a play.


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[GirlySports]

This one game just proves how the NHL refuses to advance into the 21st century.

The high stick goal us impossible to tell without Hawkeye.

And the major penalty should be reviewed. If Toronto still says its a major then we accept that.

[Erick Estrada]

I feel that officiating crew should not work again in these playoffs as it's unforgivable to make a panic call based on a player getting incidentally hurt. That was the worst 5 minute major I have ever seen in a playoff game. It barely warranted a 2 minute minor penalty let alone 5 and a game. Just a travesty and the biggest problem with the game by far is the quality of officiating as it's borderline CFL bad.